Two Slice, a font that's only 2px tall

(joefatula.com)

161 points | by JdeBP 7 hours ago

19 comments

  • jl6 6 minutes ago
    I think readability is helped a lot by the low entropy of English words and sentences, i.e. if you can’t make out one letter, you’ll probably get it anyway from the context.

    It’s not so readable if you test it with random strings.

  • JdeBP 7 hours ago
    There's a whole subculture for fonts smaller than 8 by 8, with real world uses for things such as small LED displays, for example. This is at the extreme end, though.

    Also https://stormgold.itch.io/picket-right-font

    • omoikane 3 hours ago
      I wonder if there are really tiny fonts that make use of color. For example, this 2-pixel wide Picket Right font could theoretically be even thinner if we were to use sub-pixel features.

      At least, I think the 2-pixel high Two Slice font can be more legible with some anti-aliasing.

    • eichin 2 hours ago
      and https://stormgold.itch.io/two-slice - are these the same authors or what?
      • eichin 49 minutes ago
        Ah! the reddit user description hoverbox for u/trampolinebears says "Fonts: stormgold.itch.io" so that connects the dots.
    • iguessthislldo 4 hours ago
      That one is relatively easier to read, I guess because it looks like normal font that was cut into strips.
      • typpilol 3 hours ago
        Ya literally I could make out 85% quickly.

        The linked one is unreadable at all to me lol

    • malnourish 5 hours ago
      Thanks for sharing this. I enjoy seeing these cool subcultures; they evoke the hacker ethos.
    • hdjrudni 4 hours ago
      > such as small LED displays

      The highest DPI screen is 127,000 PPI. You could fit over 14,000 lines of 8x8 text in a single inch tall screen.

      For reference, a decent monitor is 140 PPI.

      I'm pretty sure we don't need to go below 8x8 if physical size is the issue.

      • crq-yml 3 hours ago
        Pad grid controllers like the Novation Launchpad, and its indie, open-source counterpart, Mystrix Pro, have an 8x8 grid. At first this style of controller didn't use any lights, but as the manufacturing and features progressed, they went towards one RGB LED per pad. So, of course, you end up doing some text and graphics on the resulting grid. Mystrix uses a scrolling marquee which isn't ideal, but does get the job done.

        And yeah, you could throw on more hardware to have a display nearby and use that for text. That is not the problem being solved though.

      • bongodongobob 2 hours ago
        No, small LED displays with like 25 ppi. Think arduino/embedded.
  • shmerl 3 minutes ago
    I can't really read anything with that, so somewhat readable is very moot.
  • kstrauser 3 hours ago
    I'm blown away. I'd have sworn that wasn't possible. It's brilliant. Bravo.
    • imcritic 3 hours ago
      IMO this is idiotic.
      • umanwizard 32 minutes ago
        Do you think anyone is suggesting this should actually be used for a practical purpose?
      • sniffers 3 hours ago
        Idiotic seems strong. It's an art piece, is it simply not to your taste in art?
        • EGreg 2 hours ago
          Exactly. My taste in art skews idiotic, so what! :)
  • Dwedit 1 hour ago
    Meanwhile, 3x5 fonts are actually usable.
  • rtrgrd 1 hour ago
    Very cool - note that lowercase b, l and h are the same
  • addaon 4 hours ago
    Capital H is cursed... unconnected pixels, indistinguishable from 'ii' or "II". The concept's cool, but for this one point the wrong choice was made.
    • PenguinRevolver 4 hours ago
      Try reading "HiGh sky buys The lies" in the font. Pretty difficult to make out what it says...
    • jasonjmcghee 4 hours ago
      I'm more concerned about V X Y all being identical.

      How will I know if it's waxy or wavy?

      • throwaway808081 4 hours ago
        Like all of language: context.

        Why would hair be like 80s synthpop, or potatoes be in any way related to a by-product of honey?

  • Eric_WVGG 3 hours ago
    Really like that zero glyph. I wonder if, instead of Roman numerals, one could use ligatures to encode numeric strings as binary… 42 as 010101

    (I sort of randomly picked 42, didn't know it was such an interesting string… Douglas Adams must have known that)

    • sugarkjube 40 minutes ago
      101010 - I'm guessing you know, and want to find out how long it takes for someone to notice and respond.
      • hidroto 9 minutes ago
        little endian vs big endian.
  • shakna 29 minutes ago
    > You can probably read this, even if you wish you couldn't.

    Um... Nope. I can't.

    I can get some of the letters, but not most of them, unfortunately.

    Love the concept, and the art, that goes into things like this. But I just cannot read it.*

    * I have nerve problems in my eyes. I'm not legally blind... Most of the time.

    • jader201 18 minutes ago
      Yeah, a lot of words/letters made sense, but I definitely had to use some deduction to read it.

      Interesting, and given the limitation, it’s quite impressive.

      But I think “probably” is optimistic. I’d say “possibly” is more realistic.

  • wingmanjd 1 hour ago
    I wish I had this back capability when I used to program my TI graphing calculators back in highschool!
  • Jowsey 3 hours ago
    Some of the characters/words (particularly "c"/"can") sort of look like they've been cropped from the top, trusting the brain to fill in the bottom half. Reminds me of what Sandisk did with the "S" in their redesign. I wonder if there's any research behind this?
  • magackame 3 hours ago
    I wonder if it's possible to train to read text encoded as one colored pixel per letter, or even per token.
    • userbinator 3 hours ago
      Given how people can learn languages, absolutely yes.
  • ChrisArchitect 1 hour ago
    A thread last year with lots of related subpixel type things:

    Nanofont3x4: Smallest readable 3x4 font with lowercase (2015)

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39735675

  • BSOhealth 4 hours ago
    I love this. It speaks to me in a similar ways as a lot of the AI zeitgeist—why shouldn’t we optimize for how the brain actually operates at scale versus hundreds-years-old ideas about ligatures designed for reading in candlelight? (In the AI case, a romanticism for having to learn and prove memory in such a rote way)
  • matznerd 4 hours ago
    okay but what about "c" being nearly the same as "z", neither of which look like the character and are nearly(?) identical. Is our brain supposed to just be able to figure it out?
    • sharkjacobs 2 hours ago
      O and 0 are very similar in lots of typefaces. And I and l and 1. Even u and v. Your brain's pretty good at figuring it out. Context helps a lot.
    • cal85 4 hours ago
      yeah I can read it ok
  • sehugg 3 hours ago
    The Atari 2600 had pretty good vertical resolution (assuming you could set up the next line in 76 cycles) but limited horizontal resolution. A 3x5 font is possible, but good luck distinguishing N from M.

    This font seems to use characters up to 5 pixels wide, which helps with its near-legibility.

  • eipipuz 2 hours ago
    Is it just me or the s Z and z S should be swapped?
  • kelvinquee 4 hours ago
    Love this. Brings so much joy. Try some punctuation. Hilarity ensues.
  • crm9125 2 hours ago
    Cool. I hate it.