Believe the Checkbook

(robertgreiner.com)

34 points | by rg81 2 hours ago

8 comments

  • drcode 1 minute ago
    The bun acquisition is driven by current AI capabilities.

    This argument requires us to believe that AI will just asymptote and not get materially better.

    Five years from now, I don't think anyone will make these kinds of acquisitions anymore.

  • zamadatix 25 minutes ago
    Something about the way the article sets up the conversation nags at me a bit - even though it concludes with statements and reasoning I generally agree quite well with. It sets out what it wants to argue clearly at the start:

    > Everyone’s heard the line: “AI will write all the code; engineering as you know it is finished... The Bun acquisition blows a hole in that story.”

    But what the article actually discusses and demonstrates by the end of the article is how the aspects of engineering beyond writing the code is where the value in human engineers is at this point. To me that doesn't seem like an example of a revealed preference in this case. If you take it back to the first part of the original quote above it's just a different wording for AI being the code writer and engineering being different.

    I think what the article really means to drive against is the claim/conclusion "because AI can generate lots of code we don't need any type of engineer" but that's just not what the quote they chose to set out against is saying. Without changing that claim the acquisition of Bun is not really a counterexample, Bun had just already changed the way they do engineering so the AI wrote the code and the engineers did the other things.

    • croes 0 minutes ago
      But the engineers can do it because they have written lots of code before. Where will these engineers get their experience in the future.

      And what about vibe coding? The whole point and selling point of many AI companies is that you don’t need experience as a programmer.

      So they sell something that isn’t true, it’s not FSD for coding but driving assistance.

  • RandallBrown 50 minutes ago
    > The bottleneck isn’t code production, it is judgment.

    It always surprises me that this isn't obvious to everyone. If AI wrote 100% of the code that I do at work, I wouldn't get any more work done because writing the code is usually the easy part.

    • add-sub-mul-div 25 minutes ago
      I'll stare at a blank editor for an hour with three different solutions in my head that I could implement, and type nothing until a good enough one comes to mind that will save/avoid time and trouble down the road. That last solution is not best for any simple reason like algorithmic complexity or anything that can be scraped from web sites.
    • gowld 19 minutes ago
      I don't understand this thinking.

      How many hours per week did you spend coding on your most recent project? If you could do something else during that time, and the code still got written, what would you do?

      Or are you saying that you believe you can't get that code written without spending an equivalent amount of time describing your judgments?

      • kibwen 2 minutes ago
        "Writing code" is not the goal. The goal is to design a coherent logical system that achieves some goal. So the practice of programming is in thinking hard about what goal I want to achieve, then thinking about the sort of logical system that I could design that would allow me to verifiably achieve that goal, then actually banging out the code that implements the abstract logical system that I have in my head, then iterating to refine both the abstract system and its implementation. And as a result of being the one who produced the code, I have certainty that the code implements the system I have in mind, and that the system it represents is for for the purpose of achieving the original goals.

        So reducing the part where I go from abstract system to concrete implementation only saves me time spent typing, while at the same time decoupling me from understanding whether the code actually implements the system I have in mind. To recover that coupling, I need to read the code and understand what it does, which is often slower than just typing it myself.

        And to even express the system to the code generator in the first place still requires me to mentally bridge the gap between the goal and the system that will achieve that goal, so it doesn't save me any time there.

        The exceptions are things where I literally don't care whether the outputs are actually correct, or they're things that I can rely on external tools to verify (e.g. generating conformance tests), or they're tiny boilerplate autocomplete snippets that aren't trying to do anything subtle or interesting.

      • scott_w 8 minutes ago
        I think OP is closer to the latter. How I typically have been using Copilot is as a faster autocomplete that I read and tweak before moving on. Too many years of struggling to describe a task to Siri left me deciding “I’ll just show it what I want” rather than tell.
  • neilv 1 hour ago
    > Treat AI as force multiplication for your highest-judgment people. The ones who can design systems, navigate ambiguity, shape strategy, and smell risk before it hits. They’ll use AI to move faster, explore more options, and harden their decisions with better data.

    Clever pitch. Don't alienate all the people who've hitched their wagons to AI, but push valuing highly-skilled ICs as an actionable leadership insight.

    Incidentally, strategy and risk management sound like a pay grade bump may be due.

  • jollyllama 35 minutes ago
    "Believe the checkbook? Why do that when I can get pump-faked into strip-mining my engineering org?"- VPs everywhere
  • hapless 1 hour ago
    The ten dollar word for this is “revealed preferences”
    • recursive 1 hour ago
      I learned that phrase from one of the bold sentences in this article.
  • conductr 1 hour ago
    People speak in relative terms and hear in absolutes. Engineers will never completely vanish, but it will certainly feel like it if labor demand is reduced enough.

    Technically, there’s still a horse buggy whip market, an abacus market, and probably anything else you think technology consumed. It’s just a minuscule fraction of what it once was.

    • marcosdumay 12 minutes ago
      > but it will certainly feel like it if labor demand is reduced enough

      All the last productivity multipliers in programming led to increased demand. Do you really think the market is saturated now? And what saturated it is one of the least impactful "revolutionary" tools we got in our profession?

      Keep in mind that looking at statistics won't lead to any real answer, everything is manipulated beyond recognition right now.

  • Rakshath_1 1 hour ago
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