9 comments

  • Espressosaurus 3 hours ago
    "What does this mean?

    • New devices on the Covered List, such as foreign-made drones, are prohibited from receiving FCC authorization and are therefore prohibited from being imported for use or sale in the U.S. This update to the Covered List does not prohibit the import, sale, or use of any existing device models the FCC previously authorized.

    • This action does not affect any previously-purchased drone. Consumers can continue to use any drone they have already lawfully purchased or acquired."

    Commentary: DJI has effectively been banned from operation in the US (unable to import anything with a transmitter, including most of their gimbals, mics, and other photography related equipment) They represent 70 to 80% of the US drone market. Probably closer to 100% for those that fly noncommercially. Autel, the other large manufacturer, is also banned.

    • neuronexmachina 1 hour ago
      If I understand correctly, this doesn't ban the import/sale of drone models which the FCC previously approved. That said, in October 2025 the FCC granted itself the authority to retroactively revoke previously-approved models, so this is something they could still potentially do.
      • Espressosaurus 24 minutes ago
        It bans the import, but not sale of models the FCC has previously approved.
        • CGamesPlay 10 minutes ago
          Your originally quoted text explicitly disagrees with you: "This update to the Covered List does not prohibit the import, sale, or use of any existing device models the FCC previously authorized."
    • guerrilla 2 hours ago
      So, America just shot itself in the foot again. It's starting to look like a pattern.
      • j16sdiz 1 hour ago
        Well.. DJI have on-the-fly no fly zone update, and newer model can communicate via satellite.

        That's worse if you believe there are possibility of war...

        • vasco 38 minutes ago
          Attack vector: drone needs to get out of a case, backpack or closet, out of the window and fly somewhere to do something.

          Meanwhile IoT devices, internet connected kitchen appliances just need to be able to be remotely activated to create a power surge and overwhelm the electric grid. Those can be sold no problem.

          • mjevans 30 minutes ago
            Or even just 'halt and catch fire'.

            Heck even a targeted but small percent increase in sporadic behavior for targets of high value might be a worthy harassment tactic.

    • bambax 1 hour ago
      If drones are a threat to national security, then all existing drones should be grounded, regardless of the manufacturer. Or, if Chinese drones are the threat, then all existing Chinese-made drones should be grounded?

      I don't understand how banning future drones helps national security in any way.

      • sandworm101 45 minutes ago
        >> banning future drones

        It is about money. If they ban drones that are already inside the US, they risk lawsuits by drone owners/importers for expropriation of their property. Banning things that are not already inside the country is easier as nobody has an absolute right to import stuff.

        It is akin to weapons bans. Banning future sales of machine guns is far far easier to implement than outlawing those already sitting in gun cabinets across the country. The former is free to implement, the later very expensive.

      • kortilla 1 hour ago
        Well this would be step one to try to motivate some US company to start manufacturing. Then once it ramps up they can step in with banning existing stuff without causing too much disruption.
        • palmotea 28 minutes ago
          Exactly, it's about supply chains. Banning existing drones with no replacements on offer would be unnecessarily disruptive.

          Though the US should probably just learn from China: Does DJI want to sell in the US? Setup a 50-50 JV with domestic production, skill and technology transfers, or go away.

        • zarzavat 30 minutes ago
          Wouldn't you want the opposite? Once domestic production ramps up you gradually lift import restrictions to create more competition. I guess that's if the intention is to improve the domestic market in the national interest, rather than to just make people rich.
    • b00ty4breakfast 2 hours ago
      I want to believe this is some ploy to open the market for some US manufacturer that slipped a few thousand dollars in an envelope but I have a sneaking suspicion that nobody is coming to fill the void left by this naive protectionism. (Or is it deliberate sabotage? I don't even know anymore)
      • Espressosaurus 2 hours ago
        If it was phased in and didn't specifically include allied country imports, I could believe that.

        This door-slamming-shut-suddenly method says there is no plan, and given we don't domestically make most of the critical components ourselves, at best it's going to take awhile to build the factories and expertise to make up for the loss of the biggest suppliers in the market.

        We'll get to pay much higher prices for much worse products while we do so.

        Just looking at what's available for enterprise use (since there is no consumer-selling US drone company at this point) it looks like US companies are around a decade behind.

        • neuronexmachina 1 hour ago
          It's crazy that it also bans new models from Europe's Wingtra, Quantum Systems, and AgEagle, which are basically the only consumer fixed-wing drones available. Heck, those companies were even previously approved for the DOD's "Blue UAS" list: https://bluelist.appsplatformportals.us/Cleared-List/
          • padjo 15 minutes ago
            It’s only crazy if you think Europe and the US are still allies. That simply isn’t the case anymore. The US is in its own now.
        • MrMorden 1 hour ago
          The primary goal of the Trump administration is to destroy American manufacturing. They don't want factories, hence all the tariffs.
          • palmotea 23 minutes ago
            > The primary goal of the Trump administration is to destroy American manufacturing. They don't want factories, hence all the tariffs.

            The goal of the Trump administration is to rebuild American manufacturing, but the impression I get is the people who they have designing the polices are kinda like stopped clocks: right about how free trade dogma was wrong, but lacking the competence to effectively move the needle in the other direction (and favoring bold, impulsive, and ultimately self-defeating action).

            Also, I feel like there are weird echos of libertarianism here: they've become comfortable with some long-taboo sticks, but still so psychotically opposed to government programs that the necessary carrots are nowhere to be found. Like tariff revenues should be getting plowed back into subsidies for new domestic manufacturing in strategic industries.

      • hn_throwaway_99 1 hour ago
        > some US manufacturer that slipped a few thousand dollars

        As if they even need to do it surreptitiously. They'd just announce it in the Oval Office with a giant gold plaque for Trump, a few million bucks for the ballroom, and agree that government purchases can be made in Trumpcoin.

    • givemeethekeys 36 minutes ago
      Does that mean that DJI can continue to sell models that they've already been selling in the US?
    • cyberax 2 hours ago
      Wow. The text of the determination is just unhinged completely: https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/files/National-Security-De...

      > Federal planning for the 2026 FIFA World Cup and 2028 Olympics already assumes that UAS will be a central threat vector. CISA’s soft‑target and UAS guidance notes that crowded venues, transportation nodes, and public‑gathering areas are particularly vulnerable to hostile drone activity.9 Recent congressional hearings on mass‑gathering security have emphasized that UAS are now a routine part of incident planning, alongside more traditional threats.10 The Federal Emergency Management Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of War are already investing heavily in detection, tracking, and mitigation capabilities with these specific events in mind.11 UAS are also playing a critical enabling role on the battlefield in many modern conflicts. In Ukraine and Israel-Gaza, low-cost commercial UAS inflict extensive damage and have caused significant loss of life.12 Drug Cartels are also reportedly using foreign-produced UAS to smuggle drugs into the United States and carry out attacks.

      I'm sure, the ban on DJI devices will stop fentanyl and terrorists.

  • jaybirdio 2 hours ago
    As long as there are no favored companies, I'm sure fair competition will ensure that the US regains its edge (and the Olympics will remain safe)

    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/drone-company...

    • oefrha 2 hours ago
      What and how much do I need to pay to add Don Jr. to my company’s board? $10MM converted to TRUMP? $100MM?
  • m463 18 minutes ago
    People seem to think this is anti-competitive.

    But these companies have interposed themselves between purchasers and their drones. You have to activate your drone using an app, the apps have been connecting back to china since the early DJI products, and with an update they could just fly away.

    Seriously, why do people need an account to activate/fly?

    • ehhthing 12 minutes ago
      I don't think US-made drones would be any different.
    • sandworm101 12 minutes ago
      >> why do people need an account to activate/fly?

      So when they find your drone crashed into the Whitehouse lawn, they can track it back to you rather than rely on you to phone in a confession.

      https://slate.com/technology/2015/03/white-house-lawn-drone-...

      > The 31-year-old Usman lost control of a Phantom FC40 drone owned by a friend early that morning, and telephoned his employers and the Secret Service to report the incident when he learned the small model aircraft had been found on the White House grounds.

    • mschuster91 7 minutes ago
      > Seriously, why do people need an account to activate/fly?

      Theft, for one. Anything that can be re-sold secondhand with no way for the owner to verify it hasn't been stolen will get stolen and re-sold for drug money.

      You don't hear mass reports from hobos attacking people for their iPhones any more ever since Apple introduced Activation Lock and Find My, for example. Yes, there still are professionals shipping stolen devices off to China to be parted out and yes, I think we should hold China accountable because there's more than enough evidence at that point, but still, it has drastically cut back on the everyday thefts and robberies.

      Same thing along supply chains. A container full of expensive things, no matter if it's drones, laptops, phones or sneakers, is a very attractive thing for insiders - but devices needing activation are, assuming a supply chain able to track serial numbers of devices inside containers, effectively worthless other than for parts and Apple is even cutting in on that "market". In contrast, you have routine train heists for millions of dollars worth in sneakers [1].

      For drones specifically, accountability. Governments are sick and tired of consumer drones flown by morons completely ignoring the law. There's old models without remote-id still around from the old days, but eventually these will all die out and by then, law enforcement has at least some way of holding people accountable.

      [1] https://www.sneakerfreaker.com/news/la-train-heist-sneakers-...

  • bduhan 2 hours ago
    There is no viable alternative to DJI’s Enterprise offerings. I get that we are trying to bolster domestic tech but this is a stick when it should be a carrot.
    • palmotea 1 hour ago
      > I get that we are trying to bolster domestic tech but this is a stick when it should be a carrot.

      It's not either-or, it should be both.

    • roamerz 1 hour ago
      Won’t DJI’s current offerings still be available? I bought a Phantom 4 Pro 5 years ago that I use for mapping and it still does the job. I would expect that Enterprise drones would work the same way. Sure we’re not going to get the next new better faster model so in that scenario it does give time for a domestic company to engineer an offering.
    • conception 2 hours ago
      Is that what we are trying to do? Does that seem like the most likely plan being executed here?
  • tzs 2 hours ago
    > In their determination, national security agencies referenced, among other things, concerns that that foreign-made UAS could be used for attacks and disruptions, unauthorized surveillance, sensitive data exfiltration, and other UAS threats to the homeland.

    So people planning attacks and disruptions and unauthorized surveillance will have to buy drones made in the USA?

    • altairprime 2 hours ago
      No: the threat model as stated is referring to, in restated terms, “China could silently occupy DJI headquarters and control US-deployed DJI drones into quasi-military strikes using firmware updates, remote controls, or other such mechanisms.” Same theory as Huawei 5G routers could be remotely wiretapped in various ways, etc.

      (It’s important to distinguish it from the “buy drone-as-weapon at US retail, use drone inside US” threat model, but beyond telling them apart, I have no position prepared on the relevance of either model.)

      • 05 1 hour ago
        Because drones without explosives strapped to them are so effective.. not to mention they spend 99.9% of the time in storage with battery disconnected, so easy to make a bunch of them attack at the same time (because once people know the drones are malicious it’s game over for the attackers).

        pure idiocy.

      • lazide 1 hour ago
        With the way DJI drone updates are deployed, that isn’t actually that far fetched, technically. Assuming the targeted event was known in advance in time/space.

        It would likely be an obvious act of war, but technically it wouldn’t be that hard to pull off.

    • bambax 1 hour ago
      No, they can buy previously authorized DJI drones, or used ones on eBay, no problem.
  • Animats 37 minutes ago
    Despite the amount of sucking up to Trump in the press release, this is not totally stupid. DJI drones do have a data path back to China. Several years ago, the US military, which used to use some DJI drones, decided that the risk was too high. There was an order (in 2022?) to cease using DJI drones and to store them with the batteries removed.

    On the other hand, Donald Trump Jr. recently acquired an interest in a US drone company, which is selling drone motors to the US military for what seems a high price.

  • masonhensley 2 hours ago
    I've been in the bowels of the domestic robot/drone parts supply chain. It's ugly, almost non-existent. I wish there was more of a carrot, but the opportunity for that was frankly 5 years ago.

    NDAA has been a saving grace that we have anything like https://arkelectron.com/

    Frankly, they should just rip the bandaid off and apply it to robotics like robovacs/delivery bots/etc scanning homes/offices/critical infrastructure at this point.

  • jmward01 1 hour ago
    Why would anyone build manufacturing to fill a void like this knowing how arbitrary US policy is? One day you are a supplier, the next you are out of business. Long term, telegraphed, intelligent, policy shift is the way to encourage and build a domestic industry, this just makes it hard for us to have nice things.
  • anovikov 30 minutes ago
    That's a much smaller issue than it sounds, Ukraine produces millions of drones without any Chinese components at all except magnets for electric motors, and li-poly cells. Certainly no Chinese electronics. Even lenses for thermal optics are now Ukrainian-made. They don't even come out as much more expensive anymore - there's still some slight price gap but not a considerable one.

    Having Chinese drones in the sky is a risk. Having a dependency on their supply is another risk.

    • palmotea 13 minutes ago
      > That's a much smaller issue than it sounds, Ukraine produces millions of drones without any Chinese components at all except magnets for electric motors, and li-poly cells.

      Source? My understanding is that Ukrainian drones are pretty much 100% off-the-shelf Chinese components.