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  • tomcam 1 hour ago
    My father-in-law worked there as a programmer during the Cultural Revolution. There were always guards on the other side of the (locked) office door. Sometimes they’d shoot at random things to remind the nerds just who was in charge.

    When I worked at Microsoft the biggest complaints were parking and the variety of subsidized foods at the cafeteria.

    • Vincent_Yan404 1 hour ago
      That's exactly why I wanted to write this story. It is surreal to think that while we worry about parking spots today, a generation of brilliant minds was working under the barrel of a gun (sometimes literally, as you described). The tension between the 'Red' (political) and the 'Expert' (technical) was a defining tragedy of that era.
      • glimshe 22 minutes ago
        I don't disagree with that, but I want to point out that this is one facet of hedonic adaptation. People will always complain about of what they don't have. For instance, most inmates in inhumane prisons would love to have the life you describe if they could enjoy some degree of freedom as a result.
      • konart 56 minutes ago
        Korolev's story comes to mind instantly. Not only his of course.
    • xixixao 15 minutes ago
      I already grew up in a middle+ family, but I had a fellow intern at FB whose father used to smuggle furs into Soviet Russia. I really loved that juxtaposition. Nothing new under the sun, but knowing him personally it hit me more :)
    • eunos 1 hour ago
      There were programmers already during Cultural Revolution in China?
      • magnio 1 hour ago
        China made its first computer in 1958 and its first 1 megaflop computer in 1973, so yes, their nascence of computer programming preceded the Cultural Revolution, about 10 years after the West.
      • p2detar 1 hour ago
        I could believe it, the timespan should be 1966-1976, so maybe in late 70s. I know a lot of automation software was being written in my Eastern European socialist country in assembly language around 1974. I think mostly for 6800-based chips like probably MOS 6502.
      • nephihaha 1 hour ago
        The so called Cultural Revolution was certainly programming, just not of the computer variety and at massive human cost.
  • Vincent_Yan404 6 hours ago
    Hi HN, OP here.

    I grew up in "Factory 404," a secret nuclear industrial city in the Gobi Desert that officially didn't exist on public maps. This is a memoir about my childhood there.

    It was a surreal place: we had elite scientists living next to laborers, a zoo in the middle of the desert, and distinct "communist" welfare, all hidden behind a classified code.

    This is Part 1 of the story. I'm happy to answer any questions about life in a Chinese nuclear base!

    • yorwba 34 minutes ago
      Since you mention a trip to Beijing, I wonder what the security precautions were to keep the secret base secret. I assume visitors from other cities would need to apply for a travel permit similar to the one still required for some border areas in Xinjiang and Tibet, but were there also restrictions on people leaving?
      • Vincent_Yan404 3 minutes ago
        That’s a great question. In the early days, physical travel permits were indeed the norm. But the most effective 'security precaution' was psychological.

        We had secrecy education (保密教育) starting as early as primary school. We were taught from a very young age that our city didn't exist to the outside world, and we simply didn't talk about it. But when I was a kid ,I didn't know anything about 404.

    • thenthenthen 17 minutes ago
      Thank you for sharing. I have been researching this topic for about ten years now and no first hand accounts like to talk or are they alive anymore, this is a very important story, especially in contrast the the dominant Western narratives, thank you!
    • ocfnash 55 minutes ago
      Thank you for sharing these memories.

      I'd be very interested to hear any thoughts you might have about Jung Chang's book "Wild Swans".

      I read this book a year or two ago and learned a lot from it, but I also learned that many people who grew up in China take issue with the author's account. I'd be grateful for any remarks you may be able to share.

      • em500 12 minutes ago
        What are you looking for exactly? And what issues did you hear from others who grew up in China? Most of the historical / political events (Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution) are fairly accurate, while personal / family experiences are necessarily subjective. China is a huge, diverse country with a vast range of experiences from people growing up in different regions and eras (just like the US, or Europe), so it's hard to dispute any personal / family experience.
    • microtonal 43 minutes ago
      I just wanted to say ‘thank you!’. This was a really interesting read, looking forward to the next part!
    • tgv 1 hour ago
      Well written, and interesting. I'm slightly surprised at the detailed memories you have from such an early age.
      • Vincent_Yan404 1 hour ago
        Thank you! To me, my childhood memories are imprinted in my mind as vivid images. I'm simply using language to describe the pictures that I still see in my head.
    • nrhrjrjrjtntbt 2 hours ago
      Thanks Vincent for submitting, this is really fascinating.
      • Vincent_Yan404 1 hour ago
        Thank you! I will post the second part soon.
        • grumbelbart 1 hour ago
          Stupid question, but is 404 the real designator of that city, or a pun towards the HTTP error code?

          Edit: And what a great read, thank you!

          • Vincent_Yan404 1 hour ago
            Not a stupid question at all! 404 is the real, official designator (Factory 404) established in 1958, long before the web existed.

            The coincidence with the HTTP error code is purely accidental, yet incredibly poetic—because for decades, this city literally could not be found on any public map.

            • netsharc 13 minutes ago
              I wonder why 404, any relation to 4 being similar to the word "death" in Chinese?
    • hermitcrab 1 hour ago
      Very interesting, thank you.
  • swe_dima 31 minutes ago
    My grandfather, who is a nuclear scientist, and my mom also come from a small closed-off city in Siberia (Russia).

    Visiting my grandparents I remember we had to go through a sort of border control to get there.

    My mom told stories of how the government would change the asphalt every year in that city to cover the nuclear dust.

  • nephihaha 1 hour ago
    404 does sound a bit like a nightmare posting, and God knows what the adults felt like. They probably couldn't say much. But children see things very differently. I forwarded this on to several people.
  • Havoc 1 hour ago
    Cool post!

    Always interesting to read about people's lived realities that are completely different

    • Vincent_Yan404 1 hour ago
      Thank you! It was indeed a unique place to grow up. I'm planning to publish the next chapter shortly, so stay tuned.
  • didntknowyou 1 hour ago
    nice read. interesting experience and great writing. looking forward to the next part.
  • thatsadude 46 minutes ago
    Nice read!
  • zizon 47 minutes ago
    > I was born in 1991, thirty years after China’s first atomic bomb explosion, and right around the time of the dissolution of the Soviet Union.

    I smell cooked