19 comments

  • givemeethekeys 2 hours ago
    Don't get hung up on "14 year old". Pay attention to "took up origami 6 years ago". That's 6 years of passionate learning, experimenting and improvement.
    • nerdsniper 1 hour ago
      Also, ‘years’ tend to be a lot more hours for kids, and each hour yields more learning due to neuroplasticity. I learned so much faster at 15 than I do at 35. I know more now, which often more than makes up for slower learning, but I can’t learn difficult novel subjects in depth as fast as I once did.

      I’m glad I learned OS in depth during high school via Gentoo linux. And engineering/physics/math in college. It’s very easy to assimilate any new knowledge which can be understood through those areas of first principles.

      But learning more advanced math is quite a task now.

      • sigmoid10 1 hour ago
        Can you really say that unless you switched fields multiple times? Of course you'll pick up on math and physics faster in high school than in college or postgrad, but that's because the problems get way, way harder as you progress. I've found that even in my late 30s I can still easily pick up new skills outside my field of expertise as long as I start with the basics that could also be picked up by a high-schooler. I started learning a new language last year and thanks to modern study apps, I actually find it easier today. Of course it will still take a long time to become an expert, but I'm not sure it would need more total hours than if I had started 20 years ago. It just gets more difficult to allocate the necessary hours for learning.
        • nerdsniper 1 hour ago
          > Can you really say that unless you switched fields multiple times?

          I have ;-) far too many times! Even going back and taking undergrad math coursework that my engineering curriculum didn't have like Discrete Math or Statistics got a lot harder than calculus / differential equations was when I was younger. I felt like I got less out of each hour, and also couldn't put in as many hours - not just because I have more responsibilities, but also because my brain just gets tired after fewer hours.

      • avhception 29 minutes ago
        Gentoo is what really made Linux click for me, too. I'm still very, very glad for that and remain a loyal user to this day!

        Although I've had to restrict it to the 2 desktop machines. Maybe I should give it a shot again on the laptops, now that binary packages are universally available...

      • 6r17 59 minutes ago
        I don't know - i'm 33 ~ now - recently with AI learning is much easier - don't get me wrong I definitely won't say that the brain does not slow down - but I'd definitely argue that we have advantages over kids - be it discipline, knowing how to learn ; and stuff like that - for example let's take coq which is I suppose one of the hardest thing we can learn - you can decompose it in ways myself as a kid or as a 20yo wouldn't even be able to. What I mean is that there is a lot of complexities or stuff i would get stuck upon that I just fly over today and know I'm alright - much better ability to focus in a sense
        • jjmarr 51 minutes ago
          I learned coq as a teenager because the name was funny and one defined everything in terms of the `succ` function.

          Never underestimate our motivation.

          • knotimpressed 6 minutes ago
            Continuing to do things only because they’re funny as an adult is one of life’s little treats!
      • globalnode 50 minutes ago
        I'm learning better now the older I get. More good'erer.
    • uoaei 1 hour ago
      Also don't get hung up on "folded". He hasn't innovated a design (it was invented by a Japanese astrophysicist, Miura-Ori), merely measured sustainable load across different designs.
      • adfm 1 hour ago
        Don't get hug up on "invented". Ruth Asawa registered for (1956) and received US patent 185,504 on June 16, 1959 at the suggestion of her professor, Buckminster Fuller.

        https://theartian.com/ruth-asawa-patent-collaboration/

      • croisillon 1 hour ago
        i hear he didn't even produce the paper himself
      • avadodin 1 hour ago
        Being able to hold 10x the weight of paper doesn't sound so impressive that it would require an astrophysicist to invent it.

        I was more ready to accept the headline if it had been invented by the kid.

        Are you telling me you can't roll up 10 origami papers and stand them on a reasonably stable origami pattern?

        • retube 1 hour ago
          it's 10k, 10,000, not 10
          • avadodin 57 minutes ago
            lol

            that makes way more sense

            not enough coffee bcak

      • ForHackernews 1 hour ago
        He literally did fold all the folds himself. He didn't even get an LLM to reskin VS Code for him and apply to Y Combinator.
      • nine_k 1 hour ago
        "Miura" is the name of the astrophysicist. "Ori" (折り) just means "fold", as in "origami" = "fold+paper".
    • dottjt 1 hour ago
      Rather than age, isn't this more a trait of autism than anything else?
      • JumpCrisscross 1 hour ago
        > isn't this more a trait of autism than anything else?

        No. It’s a sign of drive and discipline.

        The latter, specifically the focus element, overlaps with autism. But more broadly it does not. (There are a lot of impressive teenagers applying themselves diligently to impressive ends. Most of them are not on the spectrum, though I suspect mild autism is slightly over-represented in that set.)

      • dbacar 1 hour ago
        And this is all you can come up with this story?
      • anonym29 1 hour ago
        Not all autism presents with intense narrow interests, and not all expressions of intense narrow interest are autism.

        Would you say the same for a teenage sports prodigy?

        • dottjt 1 hour ago
          Of course. But obviously I wouldn't be referring to those other types of autism in this case. Why would I?
      • nephihaha 22 minutes ago
        You're assuming that autism is always going to be a disadvantage. In fact, the obsessive focus mirrors scientific practice. Good luck to him, I respect him.
  • mlhpdx 1 hour ago
    The key here is scale. What works in inches often falls apart at feet. The structure is holding about 33 psi over the area (which is rigidly supported from below), much more along the contact edges. By comparison balsa wood can support significantly more pressure (varies, but well over 100psi) but doesn’t concentrate pressure on edges.

    Is there anything useful about this? Maybe as an inexpensive(?) core for high strength skins?

    • JumpCrisscross 1 hour ago
      > The key here is scale. What works in inches often falls apart at feet

      Does that mean we could increase the orders of magnitude if we made it smaller? Lots of tiny stuff needs mechanical support. And lots of folded small things agglomerated is another way to say biology.

      • Terr_ 42 minutes ago
        Closer to "mineralogy", plenty of things are both smaller and tougher (on this "support its own weight" metric) than cells or proteins with their squishy folding rules.

        Even if we include things like hydroxyapatite in teeth, or even lignin, those are more like byproducts of biology than active biology itself.

    • refulgentis 17 minutes ago
      > Is there anything useful about this?

      Directly: no, the end of the article has a nice list of reasons why, somewhat hidden

      (ex. "Actual shelters...need to respond to multidirectional loads" = these were tested with load in one direction)

      Miles, if you're reading this, it's useful. You're already doing what .1% of people do. I call them journeys and emphasize they're a million steps without clear direction, and if you're lucky, maybe positive feedback along the way. You're just on step N < 1,000,000. This works out, in some way, you already know it's not literally "yes this is sooo useful that we should start autofolding it at 1000x scale". It will work out. maybe as exactly this, this with some tweaks, or the $25K helps you do $X, or the publicity helps you do $Y.

  • tgtweak 1 hour ago
    I remember cutting an IKEA desk top down one side and discovering the inside was just corrugated cardboard under a few layers of laminate. it was trivial to break by shearing it but in a typical construction where the weight is mostly up/down it was obviously sufficient - until you cut the rigid sides off that is...

    While this probably does have incredible Z-axis strength, I can't imagine it being very strong with any kind of lateral loads.

    • lm28469 11 minutes ago
      This design is terrible for desks, they all end up sagging after a few years of use. Their "SANDSBERG" kitchen table is a much better choice for a desk, no cardboard and metal reinforced
    • jnellis 43 minutes ago
      That the construction method of most hollow-core doors in your house.
  • dietr1ch 45 minutes ago
    Does this shape hold up good weight distribution properties when 3D-printed? Maybe this could be huge for 3D-printing mostly hollow, yet strong parts that require in fewer plastic and time spent.
    • sen 32 minutes ago
      That’s already a thing. Infill. There’s lots of variations of infill that all have different strengths and weaknesses.
  • gnabgib 4 hours ago
    Small discussion 3 months ago (43 points, 9 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46106871
  • MagicMoonlight 2 hours ago
    So what is the ideal pattern and how can you build a shelter with it?

    I think it would be fun to build a playhouse out of it.

  • pants2 2 hours ago
    Fun when these things hold a surprising amount of weight. Reminds me when these two engineers on Lego Masters made a bridge:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9WT6TB15yE

    • sysworld 1 hour ago
      wtf, why lego, whhhy? "The uploader has not made this video available in your country"

      edit: What, they geoblocked a ~1min clip, wow.

      • bookofjoe 1 hour ago
        I live in the U.S.: I can watch it.

        What is "your country?"

        • abanana 1 hour ago
          It's Lego Masters USA (Fox), rather than the Lego company itself, so I imagine they're being extra-careful with licensing.

          I'm in the UK and it's geoblocked for me.

  • PlatoIsADisease 17 minutes ago
    I wish the parents could be given a bit of credit. Instead we pretend the kid was doing this all solo... Its way less impressive when the parents are guiding them.

    But the parents are doing lots of unappreciated work here.

    /parent here

    • palata 11 minutes ago
      Agreed, but then it makes the whole thing a lot less impressive and it doesn't get viral.

      Parents or a teacher most likely guided this kid to empirically measure how much weight a known origami fold can hold. I mean I remember that we were guided to do similar experiments at school when I was the same age... I don't remember making the news for "14-year olds empirically confirm Newton's law" :-).

  • hooloovoo_zoo 1 hour ago
    Looks kinda like an egg carton to me. So if an empty egg carton weighs 50g, that's like saying you could stack 500kg on top. Pretty impressive.
  • PunchyHamster 2 hours ago
    Triangles together strong!
  • IshKebab 58 minutes ago
    Ugh, emergency shelter? We already have 50 million emergency shelter designs. It's ok to say this has no practical uses but is very cool.
    • palata 17 minutes ago
      > It's ok to say this has no practical uses but is very cool.

      Agreed. But it doesn't go viral as much. Every cool robotics research goes with a comment that says "it could be useful for disaster response in a post-apocalyptic world where the conditions have changed in such a way that only my robot can save us".

    • nephihaha 24 minutes ago
      It can hold a considerable amount of weight then that may have application for areas where sand, snow or even rocks may be a problem
  • ck2 2 hours ago
    Could concept be applied to submarine vehicles to exponential increase their resistance to pressure at depth?
    • codeddesign 2 hours ago
      This is weight distribution on a flat plain. Think of Roman Arches. On a curved plain, weight distribution of THIS origami falls apart as pressure is added horizontally (not just vertically).
  • Aeroi 1 hour ago
    what if, instead you just placed whatever weight you wanted onto a flat unfolded piece of paper.
  • SilentM68 1 hour ago
    Smart teen :)
  • moomoo11 50 minutes ago
    what a smart kid! wishing him all the best
  • amelius 2 hours ago
    Where can we read about the other submissions?
  • darig 1 hour ago
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  • xqcgrek2 1 hour ago
    These teen science fair winners almost never amount to anything exceptional, and are a product intense parental supervision. Most universities have wised up.
    • nephihaha 26 minutes ago
      Sometimes, but I do find his story inspiring. He has taken an age old craft and demonstrated it may have practical applications. I hope he can patent some design based off this and then he can make some money off it. (Yes, I know he didn't invent this particular fold.)
      • palata 15 minutes ago
        > Yes, I know he didn't invent this particular fold

        So how could he patent it?

        I join the parent: it's a kid who empirically evaluated how much weight an existing fold can hold. It's not like he solved a hundred years old mathematical problem.

        • tehjoker 13 minutes ago
          That evaluation has value and the possible use case of strong and cheap emergency housing is interesting though it sounds like it would take substantial work to push it to fruition and would need to be competitive with existing solutions.
          • palata 3 minutes ago
            Did you have a look at the pictures in the article? How would you build housing with that fold?