80386 Protection

(nand2mario.github.io)

53 points | by nand2mario 2 days ago

4 comments

  • dsign 22 minutes ago
    I've wondered for a long time if we would have been able to make do without protected mode (or hardware protection in general) if user code was verified/compiled at load, e.g. the way the JVM or .NET do it...Could the shift on transistor budget have been used to offset any performance losses?
    • st_goliath 6 minutes ago
      Microsoft Research had an experimental OS project at one point that does just that with everything running in ring 0 in the same address space:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity_(operating_system)

      Managed code, the properties of their C# derived programming language, static analysis and verification were used rather than hardware exception handling.

  • 4j452j45nj 37 minutes ago
    ah, PDE/PTE A/D writes... what a source of variety over the decades!

    some chips set them step by step, as shown in the article

    others only set them at them very end, together

    and then there are chips which follow the read-modify-write op with another read, to check if the RMW succeeded... which promptly causes them to hang hard when the page tables live in read-only memory i.e. ROM... fun fun fun!

    as for segmentation fun... think about CS always being writeable in real mode... even though the access rights only have a R but no W bit for it...

  • jejgkgkldl 2 hours ago
    Article states that win 3.0 used 32-bit flat addressing mode, but when win 95 launched ms said win 3.0 didn’t (in 386 mode).
    • this-is-why 1 hour ago
      It used segmented 32-bit mode. Flat mode doesn’t support virtual addressing which was accomplished with the descriptor tables (and the ES register) if I recall correctly. lol it’s been 33 years since I wrote windows drivers. Had to use masm to compile the 16-bit segments to thunk to the kernel
    • shakna 2 hours ago
      Pretty sure Enhanced Mode, that only came later in Windows 3.11 for Workgroup, is the one that supported the flat addressing mode.
      • joakleaf 8 minutes ago
        Enhanced mode was already in 3.0 (and I think allowed for flat addressing)

        However, Win32s was introduced in 3.11 which a subset of the Windows 32-bit API from NT.

        3.11 also introduced 32-bit disk access and 32-bit drivers.

        Microsoft did 32-bit in steps -- it was confusing already back then.

      • vasvir 1 hour ago
        yep that's my recollection too
  • icanhasjonas 3 hours ago
    Made me think of the old Desqview