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  • postalcoder 3 hours ago
    PSA: npm/bun/pnpm/uv now all support setting a minimum release age for packages.

    I also have `ignore-scripts=true` in my ~/.npmrc. Based on the analysis, that alone would have mitigated the vulnerability. bun and pnpm do not execute lifecycle scripts by default.

    Here's how to set global configs to set min release age to 7 days:

      ~/.config/uv/uv.toml
      exclude-newer = "7 days"
    
      ~/.npmrc
      min-release-age=7 # days
      ignore-scripts=true
      
      ~/Library/Preferences/pnpm/rc
      minimum-release-age=10080 # minutes
      
      ~/.bunfig.toml
      [install]
      minimumReleaseAge = 604800 # seconds
    
    (Side note, it's wild that npm, bun, and pnpm have all decided to use different time units for this configuration.)

    If you're developing with LLM agents, you should also update your AGENTS.md/CLAUDE.md file with some guidance on how to handle failures stemming from this config as they will cause the agent to unproductively spin its wheels.

    • friendzis 1 hour ago
      > (Side note, it's wild that npm, bun, and pnpm have all decided to use different time units for this configuration.)

      First day with javascript?

      • notpushkin 1 hour ago
        You mean first 86,400 seconds?
        • x0x0 43 minutes ago
          You have to admire the person who designed the flexibility to have 87239 seconds not be old enough, but 87240 to be fine.
          • raverbashing 27 minutes ago
            This is the difference between thinking about the user experience and thinking just about the technical aspect
      • gib444 1 hour ago
        OP should be glad a new time unit wasn't invented
        • cyrusmg 20 minutes ago
          N multiplications of dozen-second
    • flanbiscuit 1 hour ago
      Pnpm did this first but I’m glad to see all the others follow suit

      For anyone wondering, you need to be on npm >= 11.10.0 in order to use it. It just became available Feb 11 2026

      https://github.com/npm/cli/releases/tag/v11.10.0

    • superjan 2 hours ago
      About the use of different units: next time you choose a property name in a config file, include the unit in the name. So not “timeout” but “timeoutMinutes”.
      • layer8 55 minutes ago
        Or require the value to specify a unit.
        • mort96 26 minutes ago
          At that point, you're making all your configuration fields strings and adding another parsing step after the json/toml/yaml parser is done with it. That's not ideal either; either you write a bunch of parsing code (not terribly difficult but not something I wanna do when I can just not), or you use some time library to parse a duration string, in which case the programming language and time library you happen to use suddenly becomes part of your config file specification and you have to exactly re-implement your old time handling library's duration parser if you ever want to switch to a new one or re-implement the tool in another language.

          I don't think there are great solutions here. Arguably, units should be supported by the config file format, but existing config file formats don't do that.

      • weird-eye-issue 1 hour ago
        timeoutMs is shorter ;)

        You guys can't appreciate a bad joke

        • cozzyd 1 hour ago
          Megaseconds are about the right timescale anyway
        • sayamqazi 1 hour ago
          not timeout at all is even shorter.
    • mhio 2 hours ago
      and for yarn berry

          ~/.yarnrc.yml
          npmMinimalAgeGate: "3d"
    • ashishb 35 minutes ago
      Run npm/pnpm/bun/uv inside a sandbox.

      There is no reason to let random packages have full access to your machine

    • XYen0n 2 hours ago
      If everyone avoids using packages released within the last 7 days, malicious code is more likely to remain dormant for 7 days.
      • otterley 2 hours ago
        What do you base that on? Threat researchers (and their automated agents) will still keep analyzing new releases as soon as they’re published.
      • cozzyd 2 hours ago
        that's why people are telling others to use 7 days but using 8 days themselves :)
      • jmward01 2 hours ago
        I suspect most packages will keep a mix of people at 7 days and those with no limit. That being said, adding jitter by default would be good to these features.
        • Barbing 1 hour ago
          >adding jitter by default would be good

          This became evident, what, perhaps a few years ago? Probably since childhood for some users here but just wondering what the holdup is. Lots of bad press could be avoided, or at least a little.

      • DimmieMan 2 hours ago
        They’re usually picked up by scanners by then.
      • Aurornis 2 hours ago
        Most people won’t.

        7 days gives ample time for security scanning, too.

      • bakugo 2 hours ago
        > If everyone avoids using packages released within the last 7 days

        Which will never even come close to happening, unless npm decides to make it the default, which they won't.

      • 3abiton 2 hours ago
        This highly depends on the detection mechanism.
    • umko21 1 hour ago
      The config for uv won't work. uv only supports a full timestamp for this config, and no rolling window day option afaik. Am I crazy or is this llm slop?
      • ad3xyz 1 hour ago
        https://docs.astral.sh/uv/concepts/resolution/#dependency-co...

        > Define a dependency cooldown by specifying a duration instead of an absolute value. Either a "friendly" duration (e.g., 24 hours, 1 week, 30 days) or an ISO 8601 duration (e.g., PT24H, P7D, P30D) can be used.

        • umko21 33 minutes ago
          My bad. This works for per project configuration, but not for global user configuration.
          • js2 8 minutes ago
            I think it should work at the user config level too:

            > If project-, user-, and system-level configuration files are found, the settings will be merged, with project-level configuration taking precedence over the user-level configuration, and user-level configuration taking precedence over the system-level configuration.

            https://docs.astral.sh/uv/concepts/configuration-files/

    • WD-42 1 hour ago
      Props to uv for actually using the correct config path jfc what is “bunfig”
    • novachen 6 minutes ago
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  • Hackbraten 1 minute ago
    I am now migrating all my unencrypted secrets on my machines to encrypted ones. If a tool supports scripted credential providers (e.g. aws-cli or Ansible), I use that feature. Otherwise, I wrap the executable with a script that runs gpg --decrypt and injects an environment variable.

    That way, I can at least limit the blast radius when (not if) I catch an infostealer.

  • h4ch1 3 hours ago
    I can't even imagine the scale of the impact with Axios being compromised, nearly every other project uses it for some reason instead of fetch (I never understood why).

    Also from the report:

    > Neither malicious version contains a single line of malicious code inside axios itself. Instead, both inject a fake dependency, plain-crypto-js@4.2.1, a package that is never imported anywhere in the axios source, whose only purpose is to run a postinstall script that deploys a cross-platform remote access trojan (RAT)

    Good news for pnpm/bun users who have to manually approve postinstall scripts.

    • beart 3 hours ago
      > nearly every other project uses it for some reason instead of fetch (I never understood why).

      Fetch wasn't added to Node.js as a core package until version 18, and wasn't considered stable until version 21. Axios has been around much longer and was made part of popular frameworks and tutorials, which helps continue to propagate it's usage.

      • seer 3 hours ago
        Also it has interceptors, which allow you to build easily reusable pieces of code - loggers, oauth, retriers, execution time trackers etc.

        These are so much better than the interface fetch offers you, unfortunately.

        • reactordev 3 hours ago
          You can do all of that in fetch really easily with the init object.

             fetch('https://api.example.com/data', {
            headers: {
              'Authorization': 'Bearer ' + accessToken
            }
          })
          • zdragnar 1 hour ago
            There are pretty much two usage patterns that come up all the time:

            1- automatically add bearer tokens to requests rather than manually specifying them every single time

            2- automatically dispatch some event or function when a 401 response is returned to clear the stale user session and return them to a login page.

            There's no reason to repeat this logic in every single place you make an API call.

            Likewise, every response I get is JSON. There's no reason to manually unwrap the response into JSON every time.

            Finally, there's some nice mocking utilities for axios for unit testing different responses and error codes.

            You're either going to copy/paste code everywhere, or you will write your own helper functions and never touch fetch directly. Axios... just works. No need to reinvent anything, and there's a ton of other handy features the GP mentioned as well you may or may not find yourself needing.

            • sayamqazi 1 hour ago
              > usage patterns

              IMO interceptors are bad. they hide what might get transformed with the API call at the place it is being used.

              > Likewise, every response I get is JSON. There's no reason to manually unwrap the response into JSON every time.

              This is not true unless you are not interfacing with your own backends. even then why not just make a helper that unwraps as json by default but can be passed an arg to parse as something else

            • anon7000 1 hour ago
              Helper functions seem trivial and not like you’re reimplementing much.
          • mhio 2 hours ago
            What does an interceptor in the RequestInit look like?
        • meekins 3 hours ago
          It also supports proxies which is important to some corporate back-end scenarios
    • eviks 3 hours ago
      > Good news for pnpm/bun users who have to manually approve postinstall scripts.

      Would they not have approved it for earlier versions? But also wouldn't the chance of addition automatic approval be high (for such a widely used project)?

      • bpev 2 hours ago
        Assuming axios didn't have a postinstall script before, it wouldn't have been approved for a previous version. If you ignore it, you ignore it, but postinstall scripts are relatively rare in npm deps, so it would seem a bit out of place when the warning pops up.
      • arcfour 2 hours ago
        The prompt would be to approve the new malicious package (plain-crypto-js)'s scripts, too, which could tip users off that something was fishy. If they were used to approving one for axios and the attackers had just overwrote axios's own instead of making a new package, it would probably catch people out.
      • h4ch1 2 hours ago
        Can't speak for other devs but I like to read postinstall scripts or at least put them through an LLM if they're too hard to grok.

        It's also a little context dependent, for example if I was using Axios and I see a prompt to run the plain-crypto-js postinstall script, alarm bells would instantly ring, which would at least make me look up the changelog to see why this is happening.

        In most cases I don't even let them run unless something breaks/doesn't work as expected.

    • martmulx 3 hours ago
      Does pnpm block postinstall on transitive deps too or just top-level? We have it configured at work but I've never actually tested whether it catches scripts from packages that get pulled in as sub-dependencies.
      • arcfour 2 hours ago
        It prompts for transitive dependencies, too. I have never had workerd as a direct dependency of any project of mine but I get prompted to approve its postinstall script whenever I install cloudflare's wrangler package (since workerd needs to download the appropriate Workers runtime for your platform).
      • dawnerd 3 hours ago
        From what I can tell, it blocks it everywhere.
  • nananana9 1 hour ago
    Package managers are a failed experiment.

    We have libraries like SQLite, which is a single .c file that you drag into your project and it immediately does a ton of incredibly useful, non-trivial work for you, while barely increasing your executable's size.

    The issue is not dependencies themselves, it's transitive ones. Nobody installs left-pad or is-even-number directly, and "libraries" like these are the vast majority of the attack surface. If you get rid of transitive dependencies, you get rid of the need of a package manager, as installing a package becomes unzipping a few files into a vendor/ folder.

    There's so many C libraries like this. Off the top of my head, SQLite, FreeType, OpenSSL, libcurl, libpng/jpeg, stb everything, zlib, lua, SDL, GLFW... I do game development so I'm most familiar with the ones commonly used in game engines, but I'm sure other fields have similarly high quality C libraries.

    They also bindings for every language under the sun. Rust libraries are very rarely used outside of Rust, and C#/Java/JS/Python libraries are never used outside their respective language (aside form Java ones in other JVM langs).

    • pjc50 47 minutes ago
      Package managers are now basically a requirement for language adoption. Doing it manually is not a solution, in an automated world.

      What is a problem is library quality. Which is downstream of nobody getting paid for it, combined with an optimistic but unrealistic "all packages are equal" philosophy.

      > High quality C libraries

      > OpenSSL

      OpenSSL is one of the ones where there's a ground up rewrite happening because the code quality is so terrible while being security critical.

      On the other end, javascript is uniquely bad because of the deployment model and difficulty of adding things to the standard library, so everything is littered with polyfills.

    • pie_flavor 13 minutes ago
      Rust libraries are infrequently used outside of Rust because if you have the option, you'd just use Rust, not the ancient featureless language intrinsically responsible for 70% of all security issues. C libraries are infrequently used in Rust outside of system libc, for the same reason; I go and toggle the reqwest switch to use rustls every time, because OpenSSL is horrendous. This is also why you say 'rarely' instead of 'never', when a few years ago it was 'never'; a few years from now you'll say 'uncommonly', and so on. The reason C libraries are used is because you don't feel like reimplementing it yourself, and they are there; but that doesn't apply more to C libraries than Rust libraries, and the vast majority of crates.io wouldn't be usefully represented in C anyway, or would take longer to bind to than to rewrite. (No, nobody uses libcurl.) Finally, this only happens in NPM, and the Rust libraries you pull in are all high-quality. So this sounds like a bunch of handwaving about nonsense.
    • hvb2 1 hour ago
      If you're developing for the web your attack surface is quite a bit bigger. Your proposed solution of copying a few files might work but how do you keep track of updates? You might be vulnerable to a published exploit fixed a few months ago. A package manager might tell you a new version is available. I don't know how that would work in your scenario.
    • layer8 45 minutes ago
      For some reason, NPM is the only ecosystem with substantial issues with supply-chain attacks.
      • SoKamil 19 minutes ago
        Popularity
      • techterrier 35 minutes ago
        apart from that python one the other day
    • voidfunc 1 hour ago
      I'd really like to see package managers organized around rings where a very small core of incredibly important stuff is kept in ring 0, ring 1 gets a slightly wider amount of stuff and can only depend on ring 0 dependencies and then ring 2+ is the crapware libraries that infect most ecosystems.

      But maybe that's not the right fit either. The world where package managers are just open to whatever needs to die. It's no longer a safe model.

      • swiftcoder 30 minutes ago
        In practice, "ring 0" is whatever gets merged into your language's standard library. Node and python both have pretty expansive standard libraries at this point, stepping outside of those is a choice
      • anakaine 47 minutes ago
        Malicious actor KPI: affect a Ring 0 package.
    • vincnetas 41 minutes ago
      no no, please we don't want to get back to dragging files to your project to make them work.
  • himata4113 3 hours ago
    I recommend everyone to use bwrap if you're on linux and alias all package managers / anything that has post build logic with it.

    I have bwrap configured to override: npm, pip, cargo, mvn, gradle, everything you can think of and I only give it the access it needs, strip anything that is useless to it anyway, deny dbus, sockets, everything. SSH is forwarded via socket (ssh-add).

    This limits the blast radius to your CWD and package manager caches and often won't even work since the malware usually expects some things to be available which are not in a permissionless sandbox.

    You can think of it as running a docker container, but without the requirement of having to have an image. It is the same thing flatpak is based on.

    As for server deployments, container hardening is your friend. Most supply chain attacks target build scripts so as long as you treat your CI/CD as an untrusted environment you should be good - there's quite a few resources on this so won't go into detail.

    Bonus points: use the same sandbox for AI.

    Stay safe out there.

    • ashishb 34 minutes ago
      I wrote a Docker-based sandbox [1] for myself last year to control the blast radius of such malicious packages.

      https://github.com/ashishb/amazing-sandbox

    • captn3m0 1 hour ago
      This only works for post-install script attacks. When the package is compromised, just running require somewhere in your code will be enough, and that runs with node/java/python and no bwrap.
      • himata4113 1 hour ago
        node is also sandboxed within bwrap I have sandbox -p node if I have to give node access to other folders, I also have sandbox -m to define custom mountpoints if necessary and UNSAFE=1 as a last resort which just runs unsandboxed.
    • mixedbit 42 minutes ago
      Check also https://github.com/wrr/drop which is a higher-level tool than bwrap. It allows you to make such isolated sandboxes with minimal configuration.
    • micw 1 hour ago
      > SSH is forwarded via socket

      Maybe I misunderstood this point. But the ssh socket also gives access to your private keys, so I see no security gain in that point. Better to have a password protected key.

      • himata4113 1 hour ago
        It's so your private key is not stolen, but you're right passphrase protected keys win anyway. I use hardware keys so this isn't a problem for me to begin with.
    • johntash 1 hour ago
      Do you have a recommendation for something like bwrap but for macos? I've been trying to use bwrap more on my servers when I remember.
      • himata4113 1 hour ago
        unfortunately not, but there is work being done to support overlays properly I think?
    • vips7L 2 hours ago
      AFAIK maven doesn’t support post install logic like npm does. You have to explicitly optin with build plugins. It doesn’t let any arbitrary dependency run code on your machine.
      • himata4113 1 hour ago
        some post processors have chains to execution (ex: lombok)
  • mcintyre1994 6 minutes ago
    The frustrating thing here is that axios versions display on npmjs with verified provenance. But they don’t use trusted publishing: https://github.com/axios/axios/issues/7055 - meaning the publish token can be stolen.

    I wrongly thought that the verified provenance UI showed a package has a trusted publishing pipeline, but seems it’s orthogonal.

    NPM really needs to move away from these secrets that can be stolen.

  • vsgherzi 2 hours ago
    Not to beat a dead horse but I see this again and again with dependencies. Each time I get more worried that the same will happen with rust. I understand the fat std library approach won’t work but I really still want a good solution where I can trust packages to be safe and high quality.
    • pier25 2 hours ago
      If the fat std library is not viable you can only increase security requirements.

      Axios has like 100M downloads per week. A couple of people with MFA should have to approve changes before it gets published.

      • cromka 1 hour ago
        This is the actual answer: stupid cost saving creating an operational risk.
      • Barbing 40 minutes ago
        At least then they will have to pay off a dev or something, changes their economic calculus and is additionally illegal
    • rectang 2 hours ago
      Hosting curated dependencies is a commercially valuable service. Eventually an economy arises where people pay vendors to vet packages.
      • tankenmate 2 hours ago
        It already exists; cloudsmith
    • brigandish 2 hours ago
      An alternative:

      - copy the dependencies' tests into your own tests

      - copy the code in to your codebase as a library using the same review process you would for code from your own team

      - treat updates to the library in the same way you would for updates to your own code

      Apparently, this extra work will now not be a problem, because we have AI making us 10x more efficient. To be honest, even without AI, we should've been doing this from the start, even if I understand why we haven't. The excuses are starting to wear thin though.

      • pjc50 46 minutes ago
        Just going to put features on hold for a month while I review the latest changes to ffmpeg.
      • tick_tock_tick 1 hour ago
        I don't know where you've worked but a hostile and intelligent actor or internal red team would succeed under each of those cases at every job I've worked at.
        • Hackbraten 7 minutes ago
          Defending against a targeted attack is difficult, yes. But these recent campaigns were all directed at everyone. Auditing and inspecting your dependencies does absolutely help thwart that because there will always be people who don't.
        • bitwank 1 hour ago
          Good to know. Where were the places you worked at?
  • wps 2 hours ago
    Genuinely how are you supposed to make sure that none of the software you have on your system pulls this in?

    It’s things like this that make me want to swap to Qubes permanently, simply as to not have my password manager in the same context as compiling software ever.

    • semi-extrinsic 17 minutes ago
      We run everything NPM related inside Apple containers, and are looking to do the same with Python and Rust soon. Bwrap on Linux does the same.

      I like to think of it like working with dangerous chemicals in the lab. Back in the days, people were sloppy and eventually got cancer. Then dangers were recognized and PPE was developed and became a requirement.

      We are now at the stage in software development where we are beginning to recognizing the hazards and developing + mandating use of proper PPE.

      A couple of years ago, pip started refusing to install packages outside of a virtualenv. I'm guessing/hoping package managers will start to have an opt-in flag you can set in a system-wide config file, such that they refuse to run outside of a sandbox.

    • PhilipRoman 37 minutes ago
      This sounds like satire but isn't - I just make sure the nodejs/npm packages don't exist on my system. I've yet to find a crucial piece of software that requires it. As much as I love that cute utility that turns maps into ascii art, it's not exactly sqlite in terms of usefulness.
    • friendzis 1 hour ago
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      • wps 1 hour ago
        Hello. You missed the point I was making drastically. Of course for software that I build personally I can do all that, but not for all the random stuff in my system that I’m trusting maintainers to package for me, or otherwise good PKGBUILDS in the AUR. You physically cannot have the bandwidth to be on top of these supply chain issues all the time.

        Also, semantic versioning is not some golden goose that fixes this issue, update embargoes help, but that doesn’t require semver. Vendoring dependencies is not a scalable solution for all the software people use.

        • friendzis 1 hour ago
          > You physically cannot have the bandwidth to be on top of these supply chain issues all the time

          > semantic versioning is not some golden goose that fixes this issue

          Nothing is a golden goose, however semver is designed to limit the scope of incoming changes so you have a chance of staying on top.

          > Vendoring dependencies is not a scalable solution for all the software people use.

          There are literally three ways to deal with these supply chain issues:

          1. Allocate the bandwidth yourself

          2. Buy that bandwidth

          3. Yolo

      • cromka 1 hour ago
        What a weird way to virtue signal.
  • jadar 3 hours ago
    How much do you want to bet me that the credential was stolen during the previous LiteLLM incident? At what point are we going to have to stop using these package managers because it's not secure? I've got to admit, it's got me nervous to use Python or Node.js these days, but it's really a universal problem.
    • rybosome 3 hours ago
      > it’s got me nervous to use Python or Node.js these days

      My feelings precisely. Min package age (supported in uv and all JS package managers) is nice but I still feel extremely hesitant to upgrade my deps or start a new project at the moment.

      I don’t think this is going to stabilize any time soon, so figuring out how to handle potentially compromised deps is something we will all need to think about.

      • Tazerenix 3 hours ago
        NPM only gained minimum package age in February of this year, and still doesn't support package exclusions for internal packages.

        https://github.com/npm/cli/pull/8965

        https://github.com/npm/cli/issues/8994

        Its good that that they finally got there but....

        I would be avoiding npm itself on principle in the JS ecosystem. Use a package manager that has a history of actually caring about these issues in a timely manner.

      • arcfour 2 hours ago
        PNPM makes you approve postinstall scripts instead of running them by default, which helps a lot. Whenever I see a prompt to run a postinstall script, unless I know the package normally has one & what it does, I go look it up before approving it.

        (Of course I could still get bitten if one of the packages I trust has its postinstall script replaced.)

    • crimsonnoodle58 2 hours ago
      More like the Trivy incident (which led to the compromise of LiteLLM).
    • supernes 1 hour ago
      There are ways to limit the blast radius, like running them in ephemeral rootless containers with only the project files mounted.
  • tkel 2 hours ago
    JS package managers (pnpm, bun) now will ignore postinstall scripts by default. Except for npm, it still runs them for legacy reasons.

    You should probably set your default to not run those scripts. They are mostly unnecessary.

      ~/.npmrc :
      ignore-scripts=true
    
    
    83M weekly downloads!
  • lepuski 13 minutes ago
    I believe compartmentalized operating systems like Qubes are the future for defending against these kinds of attacks.

    Storing your sensitive data on a single bare-metal OS that constantly downloads and runs packages from unknown maintainers is like handing your house key out to a million people and hoping none of them misuse it.

  • raphinou 28 minutes ago
    I'm working on a multi signature solution that helps to detect unauthorized releases in the case of an account hijack. It is open source, self hostable, accountless and I am looking for feedback!

    Website: https://asfaload.com/

    GitHub:https://github.com/asfaload/asfaload

    Spec: https://github.com/asfaload/spec

  • strogonoff 1 hour ago
    Minimum steps to minimise your exposure to NPM supply chain attacks:

    — Run Yarn in zero-installs mode (or equivalent for your package manager). Every new or changed dependency gets checked in.

    — Disable post-install scripts.

    — If third-party code runs in development, try your best to make sure it happens in a VM.

    — Vet every package you add. Popularity is a plus, recent commit time is a minus: if you have this but not that, keep your eyes peeled. Skim through the code on NPM (they will probably never stop labelling it as “beta”), commit history and changelog.

    — Vet its dependency tree. Having many dependencies is an attack vector for you, any new developer in the tree is another person you’re trusting.

  • wolvesechoes 27 minutes ago
    I am glad I don't need to touch JS or web dev at all.

    Now, I tend to use Python, Rust and Julia. With Python I am constantly using few same packages like numpy and matplotlib. With Rust and Julia, I try as much as possible to not use any packages at all, because it always scares me when something that should be pretty simple downloads half of the Internet to my PC.

    Julia is even worse than Rust in that regard - for even rudimentary stuff like static arrays or properly namespaced enums people download 3rd party packages.

  • woeirua 2 hours ago
    Supply chain attacks are so scary that I think most companies are going to use agents to hard fork their own versions of a lot of these core libraries instead. It wasn’t practical before. It’s definitely much more doable today.
    • pglevy 21 minutes ago
      I was thinking about this as a bull case for human developers. Seems if you're worried enough to do this you're not going to have LLMs write the new code.
  • OlivOnTech 35 minutes ago
    The attacker went through the hassle to compromise a very widely used package, but use a non standard port (8000) on their C2... If you plan to do something like that, use 443 at least, many corporate network do not filter this one ;)
  • jmward01 3 hours ago
    This may not be popular, but is there a place for required human actions or just timed actions to slow down things like this? For instance, maybe a GH action to deploy requires a final human click and to change that to cli has a 3 day cooling period with mandatory security emails sent out. Similarly, you switch to read only for 6 hrs after an email change. There are holes in these ideas but the basic concept is to treat security more like physical security, your goal isn't always to 100% block but instead to slow an attacker for xxx minutes to give the rest of the team time to figure out what is going on.
    • ArcHound 3 hours ago
      Hi, security here. We've tried, but the amount of people you need for this vs the amount of people you have trying to review and click the big button always means that this step will be a bottleneck. Thus this step will be eliminated.

      A much better approach would be to pin the versions used and do intentional updates some time after release, say a sprint after.

      • jmward01 2 hours ago
        Yeah, I am looking at that on the use end. It sounds like on the python side this type of thing will be more standard (uv now and soon pip supported with version date requirements). I think time is a big missing element in many security in depth decisions. It can be time until you adopt like use no package newer than xx days or time it takes to deploy etc etc. Unfortunately the ecosystem is getting really diverse and that means ever more sophisticated attacks so we may need to do things that are annoying just to survive.
      • themafia 2 hours ago
        Why not just release escrow? If I try to push a new release version another developer or developers have to agree to that release. In larger projects you would expect the release to be coordinated or scheduled anyways. Effectively we're just moving "version pinning" or "version delay" one layer up the release chain.
  • riteshkew1001 1 hour ago
    Ran npm ci --ignore-scripts in our CI for months but never thought about local dev. Turns out that's the gap, your CI is safe but your laptop runs postinstall on every npm install.

    The anti-forensics here are much more complicated that I had imagined. Sahring after getting my hands burned.

    After the RAT deploys, setup.js deletes itself and swaps package.json with a clean stub. Your node_modules looks fine. Only way to know is checking for artifacts: /Library/Caches/com.apple.act.mond on mac, %PROGRAMDATA%\wt.exe on windows, /tmp/ld.py on linux. Or grep network logs for sfrclak.com.

    Somehow noboady is worried about how agentic coding tools run npm install autonomously. No human in the loop to notice a weird new transitive dep. That attack surface is just getting worsened day by day.

  • yoyohello13 2 hours ago
    This is just going to get worse and worse as agentic coding gets better. I think having a big dependency tree may be a thing of the past in the coming years. Seems like eventually new malware will be coming out so fast it will basically be impossible to stop.
  • neya 33 minutes ago
    I wonder if this has any connection with the recent string of attacks including the FBI director getting hacked. The attack surface is large, executed extremely cleanly - almost as if done by a high profile state sponsored actor, just like in Hollywood movies.
  • aizk 54 minutes ago
    In light of these nonstop supply chain attacks: Tonight I created /supply-chain-audit -- A simple claude code skill that fetches info on the latest major package vulnerability, then scans your entire ~/ and gives you a report on all your projects.

    https://github.com/IsaacGemal/claude-skills

    It's a bit janky right now but I'd be interested to hear what people think about it.

    • mirekrusin 51 minutes ago
      Skills are great attack vector as well.
  • hyperadvanced 1 hour ago
    Just sanity checking - if I only ever install axios in a container that has no secrets mounted in to its env, is there any real way I can get pwned by this kind of thing?
  • acheong08 2 hours ago
    There are so many scanners these days these things get caught pretty quick. I think we need either npm or someone else to have a registry that only lets through packages that pass these scanners. Can even do the virustotal thing of aggregating reports by multiple scanners. NPM publishes attestation for trusted build environments. Google has oss-rebuild.

    All it takes is an `npm config set` to switch registries anyways. The hard part is having a central party that is able to convince all the various security companies to collaborate rather than having dozens of different registries each from each company.

    Rather than just a hard-coded delay, I think having policies on what checks must pass first makes sense with overrides for when CVEs show up.

    (WIP)

    • drum55 2 hours ago
      The ones you hear about are caught quickly, I’m more worried about the non obvious ones. So far none of these have been as simple as changing a true to a false and bypassing all auth for all products or something, and would that be caught by an automated scanner?
  • bluepeter 3 hours ago
    Min release age sucks, but we’ve been here before. Email attachments used to just run wild too, then everyone added quarantine delays and file blocking and other frictions... and it eventually kinda/sorta worked. This does feel worse, though, with fewer chokepoints and execution as a natural part of the expectation.

    Edit: bottom line is installs are gonna get SOOO much more complicated. You can already see the solution surface... Cooling periods, maintainer profiling, sandbox detonation, lockfile diffing, weird publish path checks. All adds up to one giant PITA for fast easy dev.

    • mayama 2 hours ago
      Min release age might just postpone vulnerability to be applied few days later in non trivial cases like this. More I think about it, Odin lang approach of no package manager makes senses. But, for that approach won't work for Javascript as it needs npm package even for trivial things. Even vendoring approach like golang won't work with Javascript with the amount of churn and dependencies.
  • marjipan200 3 hours ago
  • Surac 2 hours ago
    All these supply chain attacks make me nervous about the apps I use. It would be valuable info if an app used such dependencies, but on the other hand, programmers would cut their sales if they gave you this info.
  • pjmlp 1 hour ago
    The amount of people still using this instead of fetch. Nonetheless when wasn't axios, it would be something else.

    This is why corporations doing it right don't allow installing the Internet into dev machines.

    Yet everyone gets to throw their joke about PC virus, while having learnt nothing from it.

    • tgv 24 minutes ago
      Axios has a long history, and is included in a lot of code, also in indirect dependencies. Just check its npm page: it has 174025 dependents as of this moment, including a lot of new packages (I see openclaw and mcp related packages in the list).

      And with LLMs generating more and more code, the risk of copying old setups increases.

    • shevy-java 1 hour ago
      > The amount of people still using this instead of fetch.

      People are lazy. And sometimes they find old stuff via a google search and use that.

  • dhruv3006 3 hours ago
    174025 dependents.
  • ksk23 41 minutes ago
    One paragraph is written two times??
  • mtud 4 hours ago
    Supply chain woes continue
  • Kinrany 1 hour ago
    Running almost anything via npx will trigger this
  • neya 41 minutes ago
    The NPM ecosystem is a joke. I don't even want anything to do with it, because my stack is fully Elixir. But, just because of this one dependency that is used in some interfaces within my codebase, I need to go back to all my apps and fix it. Sigh.

    JavaScript, its entire ecosystem is just a pack of cards, I swear. What a fucking joke.

  • koolba 4 hours ago
    > Both versions were published using the compromised npm credentials of a lead axios maintainer, bypassing the project's normal GitHub Actions CI/CD pipeline.

    Doesn’t npm mandate 2FA as of some time last year? How was that bypassed?

  • aa-jv 27 minutes ago
    I have a few projects which rely on npm (and react) and every few months I have to revisit them to do an update and make sure they still build, and I am basically done with npm and the entire ecosystem at this point.

    Sure, its convenient to have so much code to use for basic functionality - but the technical debt of having to maintain these projects is just too damn high.

    At this point I think that, if I am forced to use javascript or node for a project, I reconsider involvement in that project. Its ecosystem is just so bonkers I can't justify the effort much longer.

    There has to be some kind of "code-review-as-a-service" that can be turned on here to catch these things. Its just so unproductive, every single time.

  • leventhan 2 hours ago
    PSA: Make sure to set a minimum release age and pin versions where possible.
  • rtpg 3 hours ago
    Please can we just have a 2FA step on publishing? Do we really need a release to be entirely and fully automated?

    It won't stop all attacks but definitely would stop some of these

  • 0x500x79 3 hours ago
    Pin your dependencies folks! Audit and don't upgrade to every brand new version.
    • onion2k 2 hours ago
      But also have a regular review of your dependencies to update them when necessary, because as bad as compromised packages may be things do have vulnerabilities occasionally, and upgrading things that are a long way out-of-date can be quite hard.
  • 8cvor6j844qw_d6 3 hours ago
    Should increase the delay to dependency updates.
    • tonymet 3 hours ago
      Slow Russian roulette is still a losing strategy
      • btown 3 hours ago
        It’s only a losing strategy if you assume everyone universally adopts the slow strategy, and no research teams spot it in the interim. For things with large splash radius, that’s unrealistic, so defenders have an information advantage.

        Makes actual security patches tougher to roll out though - you need to be vigilant to bypass the slowdown when you’re actually fixing a critical flaw. But nobody said this would be easy!

        • esseph 3 hours ago
          > Makes actual security patches tougher to roll out though

          Yeah. 7 days in 2026 is a LONG TIME for security patches, especially for anything public facing.

          Stuck between a rock (dependency compromise) and a hard place (legitimate security vulnerabilities).

          Doesn't seem like a viable long-term solution.

      • neko_ranger 3 hours ago
        but wouldn't it work in this case? sure if a package was compromised for months/years it wouldn't save you

        but tell dependabot to delay a week, you'd sleep easy from this nonesense

  • shevy-java 1 hour ago
    NPM gets worse than russian roulette. Perhaps we have to rename russian roulette to node roulette: noulette.
  • tonymet 3 hours ago
    Has anyone tested general purpose malware detection on supply chains ? Like clamscan . I tried to test the LiteLLM hack but the affected packages had been pulled. Windows Defender AV has an inference based detector that may work when signatures have not yet been published
    • jesse_dot_id 2 hours ago
      I second this question. I usually scan our containers with snyk and guarddog, and have wondered about guarddog in particular because it adds so much build time.
    • esseph 3 hours ago
      > Has anyone tested general purpose malware detection on supply chains ? Like clamscan

      You could use Trivy! /s

  • 0x1ceb00da 3 hours ago
    Coded has zero nom dependencies. Neat!
  • pasanhk 1 hour ago
    Lmao
  • firekey_browser 54 minutes ago
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  • franciscop 2 hours ago
    [flagged]
    • nkozyra 2 hours ago
      No offense intended here, but this probably isn't the place to promote your package, given it's a story about a massive and incredibly popular dependency that managed to get got.
  • imrozim 3 hours ago
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    • joshuat 3 hours ago
      Why would pinning the exact version in this case not have solved the problem? I agree `--ignore-scripts` would be a sensible default at this point, but my understanding is that this vulnerability exclusively impacts two newly released versions.
      • bakugo 3 hours ago
        You're replying to an AI bot.
        • joshuat 2 hours ago
          -_- I love the internet
  • slopinthebag 3 hours ago
    It's reasons like this why I refuse to download Node or use anything NPM. Thankfully other languages are better anyways.
    • hrmtst93837 1 hour ago
      Skipping Node sounds nice. PyPI and RubyGems have had the same mess, and npm gets more headlines because it is huge and churns fast, so you see more fresh landmines and more people stepping on them. Unless you plan to audit every dep and pin versions yourself, you're mostly trading one supply chain mess for another, with a tiny bit of luck and a differnt logo.
      • slopinthebag 1 hour ago
        Cargo is a great package manager and hasn't suffered from the same problems. I'll take it.
        • cozzyd 1 hour ago
          Yet.

          Does cargo contain any mitigations to prevent a similar attack?

          Now hopefully no distro signing keys have been compromised in the latest attacks...

    • waterTanuki 3 hours ago
      • pianoben 2 hours ago
        Log4Shell was hardly a supply-chain attack - just a latent bug in a widely-used library. That can happen anywhere.

        Maven to this day represents my ideal of package distribution. Immutable versions save so much trouble and I really don't understand why, in the age of left-pad, other people looked at that and said, "nah, I'm good with this."

        • imInGoodCompany 1 hour ago
          Completely agree. NPM has the only registry where massive supply chain attacks happen several times a year. Mainly the fault lies with NPM itself, but much of it is just a terrible opsec culture in the community.

          Most package.jsons I see have semver operators on every dependency, so patches spread incredibly quickly. Package namespacing is not enforced, so there is no way of knowing who the maintainer is without looking it up on the registry first; for this reason many of the most popular packages are basically side projects maintained by a single developer*. Post-install scripts are enabled by default unless you use pnpm or bun.

          When you combine all these factors, you get the absolute disaster of an ecosystem that NPM is.

          *Not really the case for Axios as they are at least somewhat organized and financed via sponsors.

        • waterTanuki 54 minutes ago
          The semantics are irrelevant. The effect is what's important: Hijacking widely used software to exploit systems. The OC is somehow under the illusion that avoiding JS altogether is a silver bullet for avoiding this.

          Forest > Trees

      • imInGoodCompany 1 hour ago
        Log4Shell was not a supply chain attack.
      • skydhash 2 hours ago
        Other languages have package managers (perl) and there are package managers in existence that are not so vulnerable to this issue. IMO, it stems from one place: Transitive dependencies and general opaqueness of the issue.

        In package managers like pacman, apt, apk,... it's easier to catch such issue. They do have postinstall scripts, but it's part of the submission to the repo, not part of the project. Whatever comes from the project is hashed, and that hash is also visible as part of the submission. That makes it a bit difficult to sneak something. You don't push a change, they pull yours.

      • mememememememo 2 hours ago
        C++ ftw
      • slopinthebag 1 hour ago
        Come on dude. The issue is the frequency and magnitude of these attacks. Log4Shell was also not a supply chain attack.

        I looked at the Rust one for example, which is literally just a malicious crate someone uploaded with a similar name as a popular one:

        > The crate had less than 500 downloads since its first release on 2022-03-25, and no crates on the crates.io registry depended on it.

        Compared to Axios, which gets 83 million downloads and was directly compromised.

        What an extremely disingenuous argument lol

    • wetpaws 3 hours ago
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  • k4binSecurity 1 hour ago
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