Does coding with LLMs mean more microservices?

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28 points | by jer0me 7 hours ago

10 comments

  • nikeee 1 hour ago
    What matters for LLMs is what matters for humans, which usually means DX. Most Microservice setups are extremely hard to debug across service boundaries, so I think in the future, we'll see more architectural decisions that make sense for LLMs to work with. Which will probably mean modular monoliths or something like that.
    • zoho_seni 4 minutes ago
      Definitively our approach is ai dev ex first.
  • int_19h 45 minutes ago
    That's an argument for components with well-defined contracts on their interfaces, but making them microservices just complicates debugging for the model.

    It's also unclear whether tight coupling is actually a problem when you can refactor this fast.

    • dist-epoch 31 minutes ago
      You are taking the article argument too literally. They meant microservices also in the sense of microlibraries, etc, not strictly a HTTP service.
      • iainmerrick 3 minutes ago
        No, I think you’re not reading it literally enough. “Microservices” generally does mean separate HTTP (or at least RPC) servers. Near the beginning, the article says:

        A microservice has a very well-defined surface area. Everything that flows into the service (requests) and out (responses, webhooks)

  • tatrions 2 hours ago
    The bounded surface area insight is right, but the actual forcing function is context window size. Small codebase fits in context, LLM can reason end-to-end. You get the same containment with well-defined modules in a monolith if your tooling picks the right files to feed into the prompt.

    Interesting corollary: as context windows keep growing (8k to 1M+ in two years), this architectural pressure should actually reverse. When a model can hold your whole monolith in working memory, you get all the blast radius containment without the operational overhead of separate services, billing accounts, and deployment pipelines.

    • lyricalstring 26 minutes ago
      Agree on the context window framing. If an LLM needs well-defined boundaries to work well, just write clean module interfaces. You don't need a network boundary for that.

      The part about "less scrutiny on PR review" and committing straight to main is telling too. That's not really about microservices, that's just wanting to ship faster with less oversight. Works until it doesn't.

      • Kim_Bruning 23 minutes ago
        > The part about "less scrutiny on PR review" and committing straight to main is telling too. That's not really about microservices, that's just wanting to ship faster with less oversight. Works until it doesn't.

        And that's the reason I think the author proposes microservices I think. Doesn't need to be microservices, but something where your codebase is split up so that when-not-if it does blow up, you only roll back the one component and try again.

        Modularization is hardly a new idea, but might need a slight spin to allow agents to work by themselves a bit more. The speed advantages are too tantalizing not to.

        • Kim_Bruning 11 minutes ago
          Expanding: Think of it this way: A typical sprint in current best practices is 1-2 weeks. Having to scrap a module and start over loses you a lot of time and money. A typical "AI sprint " is << 20 minutes. Several passes of failing a module and rewriting the spec is still only a few hours.

          A typical rant is "You claim only the output is what counts; but what about the human warmth?". Well, this is IT. If you can thoroughly prove that the inputs and outputs are identical to spec you have done the thing.

          Harder than it sounds: CDNs and suss libraries no one told you about, abysmal security, half baked features? Uh.... yeah that happens. But if the blast radius is small, it's fixable and survivable. Hopefully.

          Famous last words.

    • stingraycharles 1 hour ago
      This makes no sense as you’re able to have similar interfaces and contracts using regular code.

      Microservices solve an organizational problem mostly — teams being able to work completely independently, do releases independently, etc — but as soon you’re going to actually do that, you’re introducing a lot of complexity (but gain organizational scalability).

      This has nothing to do with context sizes.

    • dist-epoch 30 minutes ago
      Large context windows cost more money. So the pressure is still there to keep it tight.
  • siruwastaken 1 hour ago
    This seems like the idea of modularizing code, and using specific function sighatures for data exchange as an API is being re-invented by people using AI. Aren't we already mostly doing things this way, albeit via submodules in a monolith, due to the cognitive ctrain it puts on humans to understand the whole thing at any given time?
  • Kim_Bruning 36 minutes ago
    A typical rant (composed from memory) goes something like this:

    > "These AI types are all delusional. My job is secure. Sure your model can one-shot a small program in green field in 5 minutes with zero debugging. But make it a little larger and it starts to forget features, introduces more bugs than you can fix, and forget letting it loose on large legacy codebases"

    What if that's not a diagnosis? What if we see that as an opportunity? O:-)

    I'm not saying it needs to be microservices, but say you can constrain the blast radius of an AI going oops (compaction is a famous oops-surface, for instance); and say you can split the work up into self-contained blocks where you can test your i/o and side effects thoroughly...

    ... well, that's going to be interesting, isn't it?

    Programming has always supposed to be about that: Structured programming, functions (preferably side-effect-less for this argument), classes&objects, other forms of modularization including -ok sure- microservices. I'm not sold on exactly the latter because it feels a bit too heavy for me. But ... something like?

  • _pdp_ 1 hour ago
    This makes no sense. You can easily make a monolith and build all parts of it in isolation - i.e. modules, plugins, packages.

    In fact, my argument is that there will be more monolith applications due to AI coding assistants, not less.

  • c1sc0 1 hour ago
    Why microservices when small composable CLI tools seem a better fit for LLMs?
    • mrbungie 43 minutes ago
      His argument is not about LLM tools but rather about which architecture is better suited for coding with LLMs.
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