A Brief History of Fish Sauce

(legalnomads.com)

58 points | by vinhnx 16 hours ago

7 comments

  • rawgabbit 10 minutes ago
    I can only eat it when used as a dipping sauce for Bánh Xèo https://www.bonappetit.com/story/banh-xeo-vietnamese-sizzlin...
  • dherman 17 minutes ago
    My high school Latin classmates and I made garum and left it to ferment in my back yard for a month. Young and foolish as we were, we stored it in a plastic Tupperware container. The day I brought it back to school for the class tasting, I had it sitting on a stack of piano books in the passenger seat of my car.

    Weeks later, the rotted fish stench just wouldn't fade from my book of Beethoven sonatas. I ended up throwing it away.

  • kccqzy 53 minutes ago
    I bought a bottle of Vietnamese fish sauce (Red Boat brand, the most recommended brand) and added a teaspoon to some pea leaves. I loved the resulting flavor, but my partner did not and complained that it had too much of a fishy smell. A lot of cooking techniques actually seek to remove this fishy smell even when cooking fish, so it was not welcome to add this to something that didn’t contain fish in the first place. It’s certainly not a flavor everyone would like.
    • antinomicus 22 minutes ago
      Fish sauce is not supposed to be added to the point that you can taste the fishy taste, you do get that right? If you’ve added enough to impart fishy taste, you’ve added way too much.
      • jandrewrogers 1 minute ago
        No, people have different sensitivity to it. Many people experience Vietnamese fish sauce as a strong “rancid fish” character that is not at all subtle in all traditional recipes that use it. It isn’t “using too much”, it is “using any at all”.

        I imagine it is like the people who are sensitive to cilantro, thinking it tastes like soap.

      • NL807 4 minutes ago
        Not quite true. Lots of Thai dishes use a tonne of fish sauce and even shrimp paste in their dishes. They even make side dish dipping sauce (Nam Jim Jaew) that's like basically 50% fish sauce.
      • xuki 7 minutes ago
        Some people are just more sensitive to certain smells and flavors than others, especially if they didn't have previous exposure to them.
      • kccqzy 8 minutes ago
        I could not taste the fishy taste myself but my partner can. It varies by person how sensitive they are.
      • morkalork 9 minutes ago
        Right? It's there to add a layer of depth and savoury umami
  • robocat 10 minutes ago
    I vividly remember the reek of a fish sauce factory in Vietnam.

    I highly recommend avoiding going anywhere near them.

  • tananan 16 hours ago
    Thanks for sharing. It is especially interesting to hear the factors that contributed to the decline of fish sauce use in the west.

    One thing I am “stealing” from SEA is fish sauce in scrambled eggs. Feels almost like a cheat code.

    • vinhnx 10 hours ago
      Oh absolutely and you're welcome! Btw, fish sauce in scrambled eggs over rice is one of the simplest, most satisfying meals you'll find across Southeast Asia, in my country Vietnam especially. It's my favorite meal also.
    • ghaff 23 minutes ago
      At least in the US, fish in general is somewhat polarizing and, probably especially, strong tasting fish like anchovies, fish sauce, etc. Just not something probably the majority of people grew up with.
    • stevenwoo 1 hour ago
      ICYMI - This is an attempt to mimic a secret Vietnamese American restaurant recipe but interesting use of fish sauce with spaghetti https://www.tasteofhome.com/article/san-francisco-style-viet...
    • AdieuToLogic 1 hour ago
      > One thing I am “stealing” from SEA is fish sauce in scrambled eggs. Feels almost like a cheat code.

      A bit of stone ground mustard added to scrambled eggs is another culinary delight.

      • markdown 31 minutes ago
        What if my mustard is made without stones. Will it still work?
  • rcakebread 35 minutes ago
    I'm just here to thank Kenji for making me try fish sauce.
  • saysjonathan 1 hour ago
    Homemade garum is a fun kitchen experiment, if you have the equipment and patience. Heat + protease + protein substrate is really all you need.
    • joshu 1 hour ago
      it hasn't updated in a while but i quite like this blog: https://www.culinarycrush.biz/all/will-it-garum
    • valzevul 1 hour ago
      On that note, the easiest way to get your hands on some protease is to buy digestive enzymes sold as food supplements (most often they're made out of dried pork pancreas).

      You also don't need much equipment: scales and an immersion circulator should do the trick.