The US ambassador had Belgian police stop our reporting

(europeancorrespondent.com)

222 points | by robtherobber 2 hours ago

13 comments

  • elil17 1 hour ago
    For additional context, tensions are already high surrounding the US ambassador after he directly insulted multiple Belgian politicians and also attempted to interfere with local criminal judicial proceedings.
    • Waterluvian 46 minutes ago
      The American ambassador to Canada is also a complete clown. It’s pretty obvious he has an audience of one and absolutely loves the flavour of boot black.
      • bambax 7 minutes ago
        The US ambassador to France is a convicted felon, father of Jared Kushner.

        From Wikipedia:

        «In February 2026, French authorities restricted Kushner’s direct access to government ministers after he failed to attend a summons from Foreign Minister Jean-Noël Barrot, sending a senior embassy official in his place. The French foreign ministry cited an "apparent failure to grasp the basic requirements of the ambassadorial mission".»

      • throwaw12 4 minutes ago
        > The American ambassador to Canada is also a complete clown

        Since we are talking about American ambassadors, Mike Huckabee, American ambassador to Israel, doesn't seem like to work for America, it feels like he is an ambassador for Israel

      • JdeBP 16 minutes ago
        I am wondering whether there will be any effect to petition e-7124. It seems unlikely, to me.

        * https://noscommunes.ca/petitions/fr/Petition/Details?Petitio...

      • iso1631 18 minutes ago
        The ambassador is a representative of the American President, so that fits.

        As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people.

        • jimmiles 7 minutes ago
          I wish I could disagree with you, but I live in Florida.
      • kergonath 23 minutes ago
        The American ambassadors to almost anywhere are complete clowns these days. Obnoxious, unfunny, despicable clowns.
  • pngwen 0 minutes ago
    I’d say the embassy did a good job of exporting the American journalistic experience.

    The only point of inauthenticity is that neither journalist suffered any lasting physical harm.

  • blitzar 1 hour ago
    free speech, I fear, is in retreat
    • nashashmi 26 minutes ago
      Europe (which could mean anything from the UK to Belgium to Hungary to Turkey) never had absolute freedom of speech like the US. But yes, even by the US standards to champion freedom of speech, it is in retreat.
      • blitzar 11 minutes ago
        never had absolute freedom of speech like the US, which itself never (since it was colonised) had absolute freedom of speech.
    • N_Lens 58 minutes ago
      I'm sorry Mario, your Free Speech is in another Castle!
  • nashashmi 22 minutes ago
    More and more we see the relationship with authoritarianism (police) and tyranny (those in power) out in the open. We see this with the protests in Germany for Gaza. We see this in Britain with freedom of speech taken away from Palestine supporters. And we see this shamelessly occurring from the Trump world.

    I used to balk at those who were too worried at growing government power, but this is a wake up call. Protections have to be in place for the vast majority of people, even if it does allow a few criminals to get away.

    • jagged-chisel 1 minute ago
      > Protections have to be in place for the vast majority of people...

      And how do those protections work when the current administration doesn't even respect the law, and no one will enforce it against them?

    • flohofwoe 3 minutes ago
      Quite a leap to bring Gaza and Palestine into a discussion about the US ambassor in Belgium.
      • danw1979 0 minutes ago
        Only if you’re not following along.

        The link is police abusing their allowed powers to silence free speech.

  • kgwxd 3 minutes ago
    Top of HN
  • itake 55 minutes ago
    reminds me of Dan Brown's latest book: The Secret of Secrets.
  • Chu4eeno 1 hour ago
    So Belgians, are Julius E. O. Fintelmann and Samuel Dempsey/The European Correspondent legitimate/trustworthy journalists or bloggers looking for clout?
    • OgsyedIE 1 hour ago
      Media Bias Fact Check has them at center-left alignment and high factual credibility, like the Washington Post and Guardian.
      • jojobas 32 minutes ago
        [flagged]
        • mcmcmc 31 minutes ago
          If that’s your opinion, I don’t think you know what actual leftism is.
          • jojobas 17 minutes ago
            I was born in U fucking SSR. I don't think you have much to tell me.
            • malfist 9 minutes ago
              Sure you were. That's why your comment history is full of far right US politics posts, including anti-immigration.
            • LtWorf 4 minutes ago
              Being born somewhere doesn't automatically grant you instant knowledge. For example most people in the mediterranean have no idea about all the history of the roman empire.
            • surgical_fire 8 minutes ago
              I don't think it qualifies you to judge the political spectrum in the UK as much as you think it does.
        • kergonath 19 minutes ago
          They are social democrats and firmly left of centre. You won’t find anything remotely radical in the Grauniad.
          • jojobas 15 minutes ago
            It might not be radical, but the spin is everywhere, whether they are talking about industry trends, current events or gardening.
      • romaaeterna 46 minutes ago
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        • sph 41 minutes ago
          State-funded journalism - people complain of using taxpayers’ money

          Journalism funded by private interests - people complain of bias

          Journalism funded by customers - people complain of clickbait to sell more rags

          Not sure what your comment is supposed to indicate. That they disclosed a source of funding when most aren’t even bothered to?

        • mikeyouse 39 minutes ago
          They detail the work they did with that grant money here:

          https://www.journalismai.info/programmes/innovation/innovati...

          Looks like it built an AI editing assistant with Google News and Polis.

        • jmye 31 minutes ago
          What specific point are you trying to make, here? Do you think a news organization should not be acquiring tech tools? Do you think that state-funded journalism matters, in this context, or do you just think those are good bogeyman words?

          Come on, be proud of your opinions. Don't hide behind scare quotes and insinuations. Don't be a coward.

    • kcyb 49 minutes ago
      The European Correspondent is a legitimate, though young, news organization. I can recommend their newsletter, they write about a nice mix of topics from all across Europe.
    • aetch 1 hour ago
      Sounds like they had a legitimate question for the ambassador who reacted badly - which is no surprise for someone in this administration.
      • burgreblast 49 minutes ago
        So a long article about them being kicked out and all they detail about their own actions is that "we asked him about it"? I'm not sure what "tacitly threatened" means, either.

        If they want sympathy, they probably should lay out the details of their actions more clearly. This just reads as some juveniles went to an event, tried to rile up an official (while filming the response in hopes of getting a juicy clip), then were surprised when they were kicked out.

      • expedition32 49 minutes ago
        When America is sending their diplomats they're not sending their best!
        • throwaway173738 18 minutes ago
          We used to send people who were concerned with building relationships. These days it sounds like we’re sending people to milk relationships dry.
      • Chu4eeno 1 hour ago
        I just don't want to jump to any conclusion as I've never heard of this site nor these people before, for all I know they could be known for doing stunts or something.

        Though if this really happened as they say, it reflects very badly on Belgium as well.

        • tokai 54 minutes ago
          If you don't want to jump to conclusions, why then didn't you research a bit before posting?
          • Chu4eeno 52 minutes ago
            Because search engines suck, it's hard to find reliable information on relatively niche foreign news sources and I'm lazy.
            • pygy_ 7 minutes ago
              Not lazy enough to keep quiet rather than spreading FUD.
        • iso1631 6 minutes ago
          > Though if this really happened as they say, it reflects very badly on Belgium as well.

          Not so sure. If the security at the event said "these people are active threats to security", then its the police's job to remove the threat and then investigate.

          However it should now be on those lying about it that made the accusation to prevent their evidence, and if that's not good enough then to revoke their diplomatic credentials.

          If the event was a private function as it appeared to be, then removing them is fine, but from the report it sounds like more accusations were made then "these people are no longer allowed at our event", and like the boy who cried wolf, that's where the problem needs to be sorted.

    • axus 1 hour ago
      The way the journalism business is going, open-source investigators and bloggers looking for clout will be the only independent media left.
    • masfuerte 14 minutes ago
      The American embassy considers them to have sufficient legitimacy to invite them.
    • elil17 52 minutes ago
      Yes, they're a legitimate news organization. They are partially funded by the EU government.
    • Arodex 2 minutes ago
      So American, is Bill White a trustworthy ambassador or a political donor looking for clout?
    • TheEdonian 50 minutes ago
      Belgian here, never heard of them/the site
      • sam_lowry_ 12 minutes ago
        Belgian here with some knowledge of the EU-centric media operating out of Brussels.

        They are legit but have a tiny audience, this accident made them instantaneously recognizable.

        Good for them, we are all fed up with Politico (Axel Springer) + Euractiv (Mediahuis) duopoly.

        P.S. This is just IMO, but De Wever should not have gone to the event, he lost a lot of political capital there. He should have given the ground to Theo Franken and Vansina to do their clown thing and instead he should have traveled 100km to the Florennes airbase to assist at BAFS-2026 that happened at the same time.

    • thinkingtoilet 31 minutes ago
      Does it matter? Should they have been kicked out of an event they were invited to for asking a reasonable question? Why are you asking about a news organization and not an extremely fragile man-baby who can't take a tough question?
      • iso1631 10 minutes ago
        Many blogs will omit key facts. For example you could write "I was booted out for asking a question" when in actual fact you'd broken in with some wire cutters and then proceeded to pour champagne over all the soft furnishings.

        A credible reporter for a credible outlet writing a credible article won't, whether that's the Washignton Post, the Daily Telegraph, or Le Monde, or if it's BBC, RTL, Al Jazzera.

        So it's always worth asking "is this a credible source". It used to be fairly easy, to be a journalist you had to have significant backing from a significant institution.

    • gspr 1 hour ago
      A natural question to ask – after their very legitimate and important questions have been answered!

      (Or are you just trying to derail?)

    • carlosjobim 27 minutes ago
      Judge for yourself. Why are you asking other people to think for you?
  • Imustaskforhelp 1 hour ago
    The Streisand Effect is taking effect in here in terms of surpressing a question has lead to many more people finding out about it, as it should be and I just find some layers of irony about America celebrating its freedom while this whole thing happens because of press freedom.

    I did some search on freedom250.org and found this interesting piece of TOS: YOU WAIVE AND HOLD HARMLESS THE COMPANY AND ITS AFFILIATES, LICENSEES, AND SERVICE PROVIDERS FROM ANY CLAIMS RESULTING FROM ANY ACTION TAKEN BY THE COMPANY/ANY OF THE FOREGOING PARTIES DURING, OR TAKEN AS A CONSEQUENCE OF, INVESTIGATIONS BY EITHER THE COMPANY/SUCH PARTIES OR LAW ENFORCEMENT AUTHORITIES.

    also it seems to be an wholly owned subsidiary of a Non profit (national park foundation): https://www.nationalparks.org/freedom-250-faqs#:~:text=NPS%2...

    I am not a lawyer but I am unsure if this terms of service applies to the website or anything in general and if the European correspondent can sue freedom250.org or not

    • alistairSH 42 minutes ago
      Freedom250 is essentially another of Trump's fundraising bodies.

      The congressionally created organization that was supposed to run the 250th events was America 250 - it was created in 2016 (IIRC). When Trump was re-elected, he spun up Freedom250, redirected funds to it, and started accepting bribes.

  • dimitrios1 42 minutes ago
    "Belgian police willingly comply with U.S. ambassador's request, and Belgian police stopped your reporting"

    FTFY

    > a foreign ambassador had Belgian police remove us

    Belgian police removed us.

    FTFY again.

    The article is making a good point, especially the hilarious irony of all the private companies, and US being complicit in limiting press freedom. But it also fails to recognize the agency and complicitness of the Belgian authorities as well, and makes them out to be some sort of innocent bystandards -- "Oh look those poor Belgians being bullied by the big bad US!" If they didn't want to remove you, they simply could have not.

    • yorwba 15 minutes ago
      Renting a venue for an event usually comes with the right to decide who may attend and who may not. So if the embassy indeed rented the park, then as soon as the ambassador decided the journalists weren't welcome, they were no longer allowed to stay and the Belgian police were correctly doing their duty in making sure they complied and left.

      So the article isn't strictly alleging that the ambassador did anything he didn't have the right to do, but uninviting journalists from an event after they ask a question he preferred not to answer and involving the police instead of directly telling them to leave is maybe not the best use of those rights.

      • watwut 8 minutes ago
        > The officers, we later learned, had been told that Samuel was an ”active threat.”

        The ambassador does not have the right to lie about someone being an active threat.

        > A few days before the event, Samuel had published on his Instagram that ambassador White tacitly threatened an American and Belgian resident after that citizen urged the Zac Brown Band not to perform at the event

        No right to threaten either.

        > how we had got into the event (that the American embassy invited us to).Eventually, they accepted that we were journalists and that they disagreed with detaining us.

        You dont get to invite journalists and then try to get police to detain them either.

    • flohofwoe 11 minutes ago
      Did you actually read the article?

      The Belgian police got the information that the person would be an 'active threat' which is just absolutely bizarre and explains the somewhat 'hasty' reaction of the police to quickly remove that person from the event before asking further questions. After they realized their mistake they apologized but of course at that point the journalist wasn't allowed back in.

      The ambassador essentially swatted the journalist.

  • CurbStomper 31 minutes ago
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  • spwa4 1 hour ago
    Yes, the Brussels state is in desperate need of funds, so they rent out public parks, including the Cinquantenaire, for private events. Of course, during such events the park is not accessible to the public, and there's private security who can hand over anyone to the Brussels police to be escorted out of the park. You know, like you can do in your apartment too.

    So if Bill White, the US ambassador, pays to rent out the park for, I think it was 2 weeks, they can have whoever they want removed from this public park. Including any reporters.

    • carlosjobim 21 minutes ago
      The police didn't do something outside of their legal powers, that's not what the question is. It's rather unusual for any ambassador to use force to kick out invited reporters from a function.
    • FabCH 23 minutes ago
      They are not allowed to lie about it though.

      Lying to the police that the reporters are an "active threat" is criminal.

      • gpm 18 minutes ago
        Presumably the ambassador has diplomatic immunity unfortunately. Really a concept we should get rid of in the day of video calls - there's no longer a strong enough need for foreign diplomats to be in a country to justify putting them above the law.
    • philipwhiuk 59 minutes ago
      > So if Bill White, the US ambassador, pays to rent out the park for, I think it was 2 weeks, they can have whoever they want removed from this public park. Including any reporters.

      That would be by private security not police though. You aren't generally arrested for annoying an event organiser.

      • Aerroon 51 minutes ago
        If you get trespassed then wouldn't the police get involved?
        • darreninthenet 47 minutes ago
          Depends on the laws in Belgium (I've no idea what they are)... in the UK for example trespass by itself is not a criminal matter, even if somebody refuses to leave your property... they need to be doing something else.
          • n4r9 22 minutes ago
            Just to clarify. The UK police can assist you in ejecting trespassers, whom you have told to leave your house, in order to "prevent a breach of the peace". They won't arrest or charge you unless they have reason to suspect criminal activity.

            In this case the Belgian police might have been justified in escorting the journalists off the premises. But I'm not sure what grounds they had to detain and question them.

          • 1234letshaveatw 13 minutes ago
            They should have claimed the reporters were using AC
  • ascotan 6 minutes ago
    >>> It was filled with attempts at American cultural exports such as American football (whose players were Belgian), cheerleaders (from Antwerp), Philly Cheesesteaks

    Why is this even on hacker news. take this to reddit.

  • mbmbn 10 minutes ago
    “ A 250th birthday, paid for by private companies.”

    People still don’t get it, and some people, specially these ones that believe themselves particularly knowledgeable about politics, will never get it. Still, I’m going to repeat:

    Everything government does is paid by privates. All of it comes from the money they continuously take away from “we the people” to fund their lavish lifestyles and do their little ideological stunts. Every single cent.

    The writers of the article are just mad that instead of state taking money away from someone, they just funded an event with voluntary donations. It’s how twisted this all frame of mind is.

    • tacomonstrous 8 minutes ago
      You seem to have a strange idea of both money and government.