Nintendo has raised its employees base salary by 10%

(mynintendonews.com)

215 points | by _tk_ 3 hours ago

13 comments

  • epsteingpt 1 hour ago
    I recently heard that a trip to Popeye's for a family of 3 recently cost $68 in Florida.

    In Japan, there's a big issue when a snack raises its price 2 cents (3 yen - source: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/japanese-snack-company-apolog...)

    The country for better or worse seems to be frozen in time - salaries have not caught up with the heady levels of SV (or even Europe) but neither have rents or prices for common goods.

    This is not a judgment either way - but it does make Japanese exports a significantly more lucrative business - if only they could figure out how to sell more of their stuff abroad!

    • Anon1096 1 hour ago
      > In Japan, there's a big issue when a snack raises its price 2 cents

      No, there really isn't. You're looking at one company that "apologized" as a marketing play but outside of that prices have been increasing with no fanfare for years now. The annual inflation rate has been 2-3% for the past 4 years. It's a lot less interesting to write a news article about that though.

      https://www.stat.go.jp/english/data/cpi/158c.html

    • bilkow 2 minutes ago
      Note that the snack price was increased "from 12 yen ($0.08) to 15 yen ($0.10)". That's a 25% increase.
    • WarmWash 8 minutes ago
      Japan gets an economic pass because they have such a strict monoculture.

      In the same way you can "break" the laws of thermodynamics by getting every atom to move in the same direction at the same time, you can "break" the laws of economics by getting every person to make the same illogical choice at the same time.

    • dartharva 0 minutes ago
      Popeye's for 3 costs ~$10 in India unless you're trying to make a full-course meal out of it.
    • woodruffw 37 minutes ago
      I can't say I've ever been to Popeye's, but $68 for 3 people seems unlikely based on their online prices: I picked a random one in Orlando, Florida and the "family meal" (which appears to be a very large amount of chicken) is $20.

      The closest thing would be the "16Pc Classic Signature Chicken Family Meal," which is $55.69 at that location and is described as feeding between 6 and 8 people. So you'd need to tip a bit to get to $68 from there.

      • the__alchemist 20 minutes ago
        My general assumption for any food I'm getting eating out in the US (across a range of regions) is $20/person for fast food/casual, and $30 if it's a basic restaurant. The food will be listed at $7-12 etc, but the receipt will show twice that due to fees, add-ons etc.

        IMO what matters is what you pay; the numbers they post on the menus and other media aren't useful.

        • woodruffw 14 minutes ago
          This is from their online checkout, so it is what you'd pay.

          (It doesn't seem implausible to me that you'd pay $20/pp for food in most parts of the US; I'm responding purely to the hearsay claim that someone paid $68 for 3 people. I can't square that unless you actually bought twice as much food, and then some.)

      • Retric 34 minutes ago
        Did you include tax?

        Also, that meal doesn’t include drinks. Poppies is significantly cheaper if you’re taking it home and supplementing with your own drinks.

        • woodruffw 17 minutes ago
          Yes, but that meal is for 6-8 people. I don't think you can get to $68 for half as many people, even with drinks and tax.

          I just tried it with the "8pc meal" and 3 fountain drinks for the same location, and it came to $39.36, including tax.

          (If you want to try for yourself, I picked the Popeye's at 45 N Orange Blossom in Orlando, FL.)

        • 1123581321 26 minutes ago
          Florida sales tax is around 8%. Drinks are $2-3.
    • pavlov 20 minutes ago
      Japan had decades of deflation after 1990. There’s a generation of people who got used to prices staying flat or going down.
    • missedthecue 1 hour ago
      In Japan, inflation adjusted wages are down 2% over the last 20 years. In the same time frame in the US, they're up 20% and even for the bottom quartile, earnings are up 15%.
    • isakmarr 30 minutes ago
      > In Japan, there's a big issue when a snack raises its price 2 cents

      That can't be true. So inflation just doesn't exist in Japan?

      • rjh29 29 minutes ago
        Historically, no. Prices were basically flat for a long time until covid.
        • chrischen 24 minutes ago
          They've also been making things smaller. Some would argue that it's a cultural thing, but being poor also means you have to start adopting austere cultural habits as a coping mechanism.
      • ForHackernews 25 minutes ago
        Population is flat or declining so that's one of the main drivers of inflation. Japan could be a pioneer in steady-state economics.
        • nxm 0 minutes ago
          Over the long run, population decline it is associated with disinflation or deflation. Deflationary forces often become strong because overall demand and economic growth slow.
    • weikju 58 minutes ago
      > but neither have rents or prices for common goods.

      All the price increases over the last few years disagree.

  • ChrisMarshallNY 14 minutes ago
    That's very cool. They don't say whether or not it's retroactive, though (I'll bet not).

    I am astounded at some of the starting salaries, these days. Kids, right out of school, make more than I ever did, at the peak of my career.

    And can't afford a house.

    My father never made more than about $40K, but had a house in Potomac, two cars, and a stay-at-home wife.

    Money ain't what it used to be.

    • mothballed 11 minutes ago
      I still can't afford a house. So I built one. It was cheap as hell even post covid, I think it took about $60k. I did not submit building plans, I did not get it code inspected, and I did not have any trades licenses. There is an actually "professional" built house next to me, following the gazillion licensing laws and planning nonsense, it is much older, run down, and barely larger but cost 5x the price.

      The reason why you can't have a house isn't that you don't make enough to build one, it's that the people you elected tricked you into thinking "muh codes, zones, and environmental review" brought you safety rather than serfdom.

  • rootsudo 1 hour ago
    This does not apply to Nintendo of America, which famously does underpay in the Redmond, WA area and well.. I hear has trouble truly attracting talent in the first place.
    • Wowfunhappy 1 hour ago
      How much does Nintendo of America really do? It's basically localization and marketing, right? And maybe outreach to third party developers?

      I would imagine they're able to underpay due to the allure of working for Nintendo combined with a lack of actual positions.

      • CM30 1 hour ago
        They do have at least one development studio there, Nintendo Software Technology:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Software_Technology

        They also make quite a few more changes than expected when localising games. Or at least they did in the olden days, where the American versions of games sometimes had different/extra features compared to the Japanese originals.

        I think some of the localisation team are also regular voice actors for the games, on a worldwide basis.

        • Wowfunhappy 33 minutes ago
          > They do have at least one development studio there, Nintendo Software Technology.

          Oh, interesting! The list of games isn't particularly impressive though, a lot of ports and remakes. Compare that to also-US-based Retro Studios, which isn't considered under Nintendo of America from what I understand.

      • mothballed 50 minutes ago
        I'm sure they've employed an army of lawyers for US IP law which isn't something easily reproducible in Japan.
    • Bluescreenbuddy 59 minutes ago
      Game devs in general underpay unless you're high up.
    • dismalaf 46 minutes ago
      US tech wages are insanely inflated compared to, well, everywhere.
      • genxy 7 minutes ago
        US tech wages are what everyone should be making. Tech looks high compared to everyone else, but it is more that everyone else's wages got suppressed.
      • snapcaster 28 minutes ago
        I hate this crab in a bucket framing. It's so anti-working person. Why isn't it that wages are insanely deflated compared to the US?
        • noirscape 1 minute ago
          [delayed]
        • dismalaf 12 minutes ago
          The rest of the world has educated people willing to work for less. Wages are just supply/demand.

          I'm not saying either is right or wrong, it's just an observation.

        • drstewart 10 minutes ago
          He told you why: because it's in America. You can bet if Europe paid those wages and the US didn't we'd be hearing about wage suppression and underpayment instead.
  • cautiouscat 42 minutes ago
    Nintendo gets a lot of flak for how they treat consumers and how litigious they are. However I get the impression they treat their employees very well in Japan. Like when the Wii U flopped, execs took a pay cut to avoid layoffs.

    No company is perfect, but Nintendo seems like an example some C-suites should follow.

    • weberer 39 minutes ago
      Its not even like they indiscriminately shut down fan projects either. Just the ones that try to make money. You still have sites like Pokemon Showdown and Advance Wars By Web that have been running for several decades without incident.
      • bananaboy 24 minutes ago
        My friends and I made a game for Ludum Dare 36 called No Mario's Sky years ago and received a DMCA take down notice. We weren't selling it, but we still had to remove it. Maybe because Mario is 100% a Nintendo property but Pokemon and Advance Wars are co-owned with other companies.
      • SSLy 35 minutes ago
        they indiscriminately shut down any sight of online smash tournaments
        • shimman 30 minutes ago
          Probably for the best seeing how many literal degenerates and sex pests there are in the scene, what with Nintendo being a family company and all.
    • solenoid0937 30 minutes ago
      When I was a kid this Japanese guy from Nintendo used to live next to us. He gave me the Nintendo DS before its official release for my birthday. It was pretty cool.
  • oceanhaiyang 1 hour ago
    For someone in Japan this is shockingly high! Money doesn’t go far here at all
    • seandoe 1 hour ago
      Err does go far, right? Japan is pretty cheap in my experience.
      • collinmcnulty 1 hour ago
        This is largely a function of exchange rates. If you are paid in USD, then Japan will seem cheap in a way it does not for people paid in yen.
      • kdheiwns 1 hour ago
        Vietnam is even cheaper.

        The problem is you get paid in a roided up currency and it's a fun vacation for you. The locals get paid awful wages and a single night at an hotel for a typical person here is a whole month's rent for them.

      • not_a_bot_4sho 1 hour ago
        Living there with local wages and taxes?
      • arkon_hn 1 hour ago
        Not if you don't get paid very much?
  • hootz 1 hour ago
    Always a great thing to hear. Well paid employees, good results, and I'm definitely loving their Switch 2 releases already.
    • leetrout 1 hour ago
      Off topic: what are you enjoying lately? Most of the games I have bought work on switch 1 but the screen and controls on the switch 2 are better.

      I regret buying caravan sandwitch because it's so hard to see with my aging eyes but it is nice to play it anywhere.

      Always curious to hear what others enjoy about it to help me have less regret in my $600 investment in Mario kart

      • wincy 33 minutes ago
        Pokemon Pokopia has been a surprise hit in our house, I have two kids, but I got into it and spent a ton of time making a perfect little Pokemon village. My kids really enjoy Tomodachi Life: Living the Dream. It's really silly but they make all their friends and have them get married and read the news and it's just peak Nintendo goofiness.

        My kids have also gotten a little older so the mainline Pokemon games have become a thing again, and we've been playing those together. Everything just seems to run better on the Switch 2.

        • leetrout 25 minutes ago
          My kid just discovered tomodachi life from a friend and I'm actually going to buy it for her on my switch 1 and give it to her. We've got a summer trip in a few weeks and she will be surprised to receive the game and the system to be all hers.
        • mghackerlady 11 minutes ago
          the Tomodachi series is really just amazing. I'm not the biggest fan of living the dream (I prefer life on the 3DSs gameplay and think collection on the DS is very interesting), but it's still amazing
      • hootz 1 hour ago
        DK Bananza is wonderful, a masterpiece. Pokémon Pokopia is also really fun as a recurring game you come back to every day or every couple of days to relax and build your village. I'm also enjoying Switch 1 games on it. Pokémon Violet, for example, lagged hard on Switch 1 but runs great on Switch 2.
      • SSLy 34 minutes ago
        I am afraid MK World isn't even the best kart racer on NS2. It's Sonic Crossworlds
        • leetrout 24 minutes ago
          I'm actually not loving mario kart world. I didn't know the sonic game was a thing so thank you I will check it out.
      • CM30 1 hour ago
        Donkey Kong Bananza is probably my Switch 2 game of choice. Like it may not be marketed as such, but it's probably somewhere on par with Super Mario Odyssey in terms of game design and mechanics, and has the craziest ending sequence I've ever seen in a video game. It is a really solid 3D platformer, and does to Donkey Kong what Super Mario 64 did to Super Mario Bros/World.

        The DLC is really fun too, though whether it's worth buying is almost entirely dependent on how much you get into Emerald Rush. Personally I found that mode incredibly addictive for the longest time, though it's definitely not for everyone.

        As a general rule though, the Switch 2's library is kinda niche right now though. What games/DLC are worth it heavily depends on your taste in games.

        Cozy/sandbox game? Pokopia could be a good choice.

        Fan of the Zelda series in general? The upgrades for BotW and TotK are nice, as is Age of Imprisonment.

        Prefer Kirby? Air Riders and the Forgotten Land upgrade are a good bet. More of a Mario fan? Well, there aren't as many options there outside of Mario Kart, though the Wonder upgrade has been pretty well received, and Mario Tennis Fever is a decent game.

        Generally you'll find one or two niche spinoffs you'll really get into, though nothing on the level of a big new 3D Mario/Zelda/Pokemon/whatever game.

        • StilesCrisis 15 minutes ago
          DKB was created by the Odyssey team so it makes sense that it scratches the same itch!
      • WillAdams 1 hour ago
        What sort of games do you enjoy playing?

        For my part, I use my Switch 2 as an upgraded Switch 1 for all but one game (a franchise I am fond of release a "Definitive Edition Nintendo Switch 2 Edition") and feel as if I got a good value (esp. considering the upcoming price increase).

        Debating on getting the updated Sports Resort, and wishing that there were more motion-controlled games (esp. miss _Red Steel 2_)

        • supermatt 57 minutes ago
          I was so disappointed with Switch Sports. It lacked the soul of Wii Sports. Sadly, it seems like Sports Resort is going to be more of the same :(
          • WillAdams 34 minutes ago
            I rather enjoyed Wii Sports Resort (mostly the flying and archery) --- so long as those are well-implemented, I'll be fine.
      • mghackerlady 1 hour ago
        Unless you've played it elsewhere, I'd highly recommend person 3 reload
      • buellerbueller 44 minutes ago
        Caves of Qud.
      • mcphage 1 hour ago
        > Off topic: what are you enjoying lately?

        I've poured tons of hours into Blue Prince, which is a great puzzle game. Pokopia is fun and charming if you like Pokemon or Minecraft. I've recently been playing Öoo which is a short but sweet "metroidbrania". I played through both Strange Horticulture and Strange Antiquities recently, and liked them both. I played the demo of "Adventure of Elliot: Millennium Tales", and liked the gameplay enough I'll probably pick up the full game, even though the dialog is atrocious. (The voice acting is good, at least).

      • vel0city 1 hour ago
        I'm happy Mario Tennis is back with the ability to play actual full tennis matches again. I skipped the last one.

        The story is kind of meh, but the mechanics of the tennis matches is fun. Its not like I play Mario Tennis for a deep storyline campaign, its for playing a tennis game. Its a good multi-player game.

        I also have to agree with Bananza. A fun story, good mechanics, and a silly art style and direction.

        I'm eager to play Star Fox. It seems like an exceptionally good remake. Its been decades since I last played the original, I imagine it'll feel pretty new and yet familiar at the same time.

        I still do have mostly Switch 1 games to play on it. I don't really mind that. The Switch 2 having pretty much full backwards compatibility is a strong feature to me and not really a con. Better hardware for sure, and some parts of my old Switch was getting worn out after so many years of use.

  • axpy906 15 minutes ago
    10% from what to what? Japanese companies are not famous for pay.
  • high_na_euv 1 hour ago
    I thought it is common in big companies to raise salaries by x% every year?
    • NikolaNovak 1 hour ago
      Not in all / not anymore. I'm in Canada a 300k IT/consulting company and rated top performer several years in a row. No raises last couple of years, before that it was 0.49 and 1% respectively. This year there was zero salary increase for anybody in our branch.
      • toomuchtodo 1 hour ago
        Any year you're not getting a raise and there is inflation, you're taking a pay cut. You may know this, sharing as a PSA for those who might not.
      • ryukoposting 47 minutes ago
        Leave, that's BS.
    • tyingq 1 hour ago
      When it was, it was typically some amount less than inflation. 1-2%
      • bluGill 1 hour ago
        Every few years I get a 10% raise when they realize those less than inflation raises are enough that they are losing people who places that pay better. (sometime it was me who left, but the cycle repeats at the new place)
      • brettermeier 1 hour ago
        That's what I think I get... So few, I don't even bother to look how much more it is...
        • topgrain2 1 hour ago
          The worst is when you get a manager who’s either too clueless to realize you’re seeing a pay cut from an “increase” so small, or one who knows but is pretending otherwise.

          That awkward pause in the comp update meeting when they tell you about the “increase” and seem to expect some positive reaction. LOL.

          • StefanBatory 40 minutes ago
            Could be worse, mine has promised me salary increase thrice this year. Every time coming up with bullshit issues why it couldn't happen.

            I am still working on minimum wage (as a DevOps).

        • dylan604 1 hour ago
          If your "raise" is less than the increase from things like inflation, it's not going to be noticeable even if you did look. The concept of cost of living increases is laughable today. Even banks looking at a mortgage application is assuming your salary will increase way beyond what today's raises are. The only way to do that is to jump ship and find a new job, but then you're dinged because your work history is not stable.
    • dfxm12 5 minutes ago
      X is usually much, much lower than 10. Usually by about an order of magnitude.
    • KptMarchewa 1 hour ago
      Individual employees. But the base rate (or band) stays the same, which is not what I'm reading here. So you might travel inside the band from low-paid to high-paid, while it stays the same.
    • colechristensen 1 hour ago
      Japan had zero or negative interest rates for decades, a period which ended a couple of years ago.
    • albertgoeswoof 1 hour ago
      not anymore
  • ilamont 1 hour ago
    Japanese Yen is now 162 to USD, the lowest exchange rate since 1986.
    • pibaker 1 hour ago
      And they are seeing sustained inflation for the first time since 2000. Not a great time to be paid in yen.
  • dartharva 1 hour ago
    Great thing about Nintendo is unlike its competitors, they don't go around chasing new tech and business models. All their focus is concentrated on the playing experience - interfacing, fun value, guilt-free hooks etc. In many ways they are more a classic toymaker than a tech firm. This is the reason why they have such a strong following, their product at least is not run by MBAs chasing every chance at a point increase in margins.

    I wish there were more such successful "craftsman shops" out there than soulless "service providers" that today's video game companies are.

    • engeljohnb 1 hour ago
      I replayed Luigi's Mansion during a long flight the other day, and my wife looked over my shoulder and went "That game looks cool. Is it new?"

      This is exactly why Nintendo games tend to have strong legacies. Everyone back then could see realistic graphics just on the horizon, but they weren't there yet. Nintendo knew that the play experience is the important thing, and made art and designs that work within the limitations. Luigi's Mansion, Wind Waker, Super Mario Sunshine, and Pikmin all still look and feel so good.

      • tskj 46 minutes ago
        Interestingly Wind Waker's art style was its main detractor among critics when it was released, which is wild and incomprehensible to me now. One of my favorite games of all time.
    • mghackerlady 9 minutes ago
      Indies are where it's at. Increasingly, the modern games I play are either by nintendo or indie devs with the exception of the occasional atlus game
    • ThrowawayR2 1 hour ago
      Don't forget their patent trolling, e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43059215 and general IP related bullying.
      • dartharva 3 minutes ago
        Yeah I'll admit that's obnoxious
  • kittikitti 33 minutes ago
    Congratulations Nintendo employees! I've always had great conversations and interactions with your engineers so I think this is well deserved.
  • tekla 1 hour ago
    It mostly seems that Nintendo is trying very hard to prevent any concern over their stock price dropping like a rock

    https://www.shacknews.com/article/149817/nintendo-ntdoy-pres...

    • mcphage 1 hour ago
      Stockholders seem concerned that Nintendo isn't throwing away enough of their seed corn, like all the other major game publishers are.
  • iLoveOncall 50 minutes ago
    Before people praise them (a bit late for that I guess given the current comments), Nintendo seems to pay quite poorly their employees in the first place, as you can see from the salaries on https://www.levels.fyi/en-gb/companies/nintendo/salaries/sof... for a company that has a stash of cash and is as successful as they are.
    • chalupa-supreme 30 minutes ago
      100k for entry level roles at one of the most recognizable brands of the world doesn’t seem too bad to me. Then again, I’ve never been to the Seattle/Washington area.