44 comments

  • Grimburger 1 hour ago
    > Each agent runs inside a dedicated microVM with your dev environment

    What's a "microVM" and what's the security model here compared to using real virtual machines with actual constraints on breakouts?

    Is it marketing fluff?

    Incus/LXD has had VM's for a long time now.

        incus launch images:ubuntu/26.04 my-ubuntu-vm --vm
        incus exec my-ubuntu-vm -- bash
    • frio 1 hour ago
      It’s real VMs, firecracker style.
    • dizhn 48 minutes ago
      That's a full VM. Microvms are much smaller and they start up very very fast. In miliseconds.
  • rusch 50 minutes ago
    The login is annoying but, lacking an open source alternative, this has been my daily driver for a while now because it works great out of the box with two key features: outbound firewall and secret injection with placeholders.

    I run it with superset and then each git worktree is mounted in a sandbox that is configured for each repo i work in.

    Closest open source I have seen is https://earendil-works.github.io/gondolin but the DX is not as polished. https://exe.dev/ would be perfect but it does not come with outbound firewall.

    Does anyone have a better alternative?

    • binsquare 5 minutes ago
      maintainer, I would recommend trying out: https://github.com/smol-machines/smolvm

      It has network filtering + placeholders for secrets.

      OSS, no logins needed

    • throwaw12 19 minutes ago
      I havent used nor gondolin neither docker's solution, but curious to know what gondolin is missing (evaluating both for my personal use)? is it only the DX or something else, if DX, can you what exactly is missing?

      thanks

      • rusch 4 minutes ago
        Yes, the stated "target workload"[0] is not what i'm looking for. I want my agent to run for long, spin up dedicated local stack while developing etc.

        It seems with gondoling i need to explain the agent to run commands in the sandbox, but then where does the agent run itself?

        [0]: https://earendil-works.github.io/gondolin/workloads/

    • SegmentTree 29 minutes ago
      Eclipse Enclave does exactly that: There is an outbound firewall and secret injections, so that the agent never sees a real key. And it's fully open source: https://github.com/eclipse-enclave/enclave
      • dvtkrlbs 22 minutes ago
        Looking at the Readme it seems like it only supports docker. Which is a dealbreaker for some
    • _ink_ 19 minutes ago
      Does secret injection really prevent that the agent send my GitHub key somewhere? If it has access to it via env var, can it not just paste it somewhere?
      • rusch 3 minutes ago
        The env var is just a placeholder in the VM, so no real secret is in there.
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  • hokkos 1 hour ago
    Wow, I hope one day Linux will be able to support the exclusive MacOs/Windows technology of Docker Sandboxes.

    (it's in the doc, but kinda strange to not see some instructions on the main page, probably distro related)

  • dethos 4 minutes ago
    The other day I saw this: https://nono.sh/

    Haven't tested it yet, but it seems to address the same issue as Docker Sandboxes, but in a different way.

  • navigate8310 1 hour ago
    I just made my own devcontainer that I copy on any project and load whatever harness I want in that repo. Harnesss' config and auth are simply mounted from the host, so no setup required at all.

    https://github.com/iodize6399/ai-devcontainer/tree/main/.dev...

  • weinzierl 12 minutes ago
    Before you use no sandbox at all use this or one the many similar projects but it's alway worth remembering that Docker is not a security boundary. It never has been meant to be and never will become one.

    cgroups are a mechanism designed for hierarchical organization and resource distribution. Against a malicious and capable actor, and that is how we have to treat AI agents, cgroups will not withstand.

    Also, the kernal is an interface too big for what an AI agent needs and is therefore offering a gigantic attack surface completely unnecessarily.

    • TheRoque 6 minutes ago
      Would you say podman is better, or is it the same as docker ?
  • karakanb 1 hour ago
    I got excited for this not because this didn't exist before, but because Docker putting their weight on this would imply a broader adoption and better integration in the industry. I am sad that they are asking for a login here though, which doesn't make any sense to me.
    • KolibriFly 1 hour ago
      That's docker, man. Tomorrow they're gonna add limits on sandbox runs without a premium account too
    • rvz 23 minutes ago
      microVMs (firecracker) have existed for years. This is not new.
  • pkhamre 1 hour ago
    I started building my own isolated and security-hardened docker image for OpenCode about half a year ago. Been using it daily.

    https://github.com/pkhamre/opencode-docker

  • sureglymop 33 minutes ago
    What is the main benefit over doing something like:

        docker run --runtime krun --rm -it -v $(pwd):/workspace/$(basename $(pwd)) -w /workspace/$(basename $(pwd)) --network restricted-net ghcr.io/openai/codex-universal:latest sh
    
    That runs the codex OCI in a qemu microvm. From what I can see, more fine grained network and filesystem access control as well as convenience?
  • devttyeu 26 minutes ago
    I did try to use those for some stuff: * Login requirement is something else * It's closed source last I checked * Pretty slow/unstable

    There are many better namespace/container based options, VMs may be moderately more secure but when you more or less trust your agent and code you can do with lesser containment. And with the recent CVEs in kvm honestly there isn't a huge deal of difference vs namespaces.

    (I'm building https://xbin.dev/ for some time now for managing my personal code/apps, a project which started specifically after Docker Sandboxes broke on me some time ago)

  • Schlagbohrer 59 minutes ago
    Can someone more versed in Docker explain to me how this is different than building my own docker container from a Dockerfile for using Pi agent harness? That's what I do currently. I use Docker Desktop in windows as the backend for that.
    • Hugsun 50 minutes ago
      Docker containers use Linux kernel features to create an isolated environment, running on the same machine as docker is. This creates a virtual machine, with its own kernel, and runs the container in there. This gives stronger isolation and security guarantees.
      • eloisius 44 minutes ago
        I have the same question as GP. Your answer helps a little but not really. I might be naive, but I was under the impression that malicious code escaping a docker image and running amok on my host system was not something I should be too worried about. Especially if I run docker in rootless mode. Is that wrong?

        For clarity I’m actually using podman, not Docker.

        • angry_octet 31 minutes ago
          Oh no, you should definitely be worried about that. Podman might make it harder to escalate to host root, or manipulate other containers, but it is still vulnerable.

          Now I'm curious to know how hardened the Docket Sandbox orchestration interface is. I guess we can assume they have run Mythos against it for a few weeks maybe? It's unclear.

          • eloisius 22 minutes ago
            Unsettling. I mean, is there any reasonable way to develop software in 2026? I've already sworn off ever installing npm directly on my host. Containerizing everything is laborious enough, but running a separate VM for everything?
      • sureglymop 30 minutes ago
        That depends on the runtime though. For example, libkrun lets you do this:

            docker run --runtime krun hello-world
        
        That starts/runs the OCI in a qemu microvm.
    • angry_octet 36 minutes ago
      It's a VM.
  • reddozen 1 hour ago
    If any AI company was doing serious engineering isolated containers would have been a prerequisite to using their tools.
    • globular-toast 48 minutes ago
      Anyone serious about security will want to bring their own sandbox anyway, not trust these, often proprietary, agents. I've never run an agent outside a sandbox. My first bubblewrap script for `claude` is now over a year old. The tools are available and if you learn to use them you can run any program in a sandbox.

      But, in any case, why put in effort doing something people don't expect or ask for? We can assume everyone running agents is either a) using their own sandbox, or b) doesn't care. I think we can guess which category most people fall into. You could maybe argue about responsibility, but I don't think you can argue about "serious engineering".

  • bob1029 59 minutes ago
    The sandboxing problem is perhaps the greatest justification for doing agent integration via existing human interfaces rather than low level shell access. Granting access to shell is a super obvious path (it's easy) so I can understand us wanting to fight for it. But we should consider the other paths as well before we make our final stand.

    Automating browsers with LLM agents properly requires a lot more work than Process.Start into powershell, but the advantages can be immense once you have achieved integration this way. Incrementally maintaining this integration is generally easy because human users cannot tolerate rapid changes either.

    It's a hell of a lot easier to convince management to adopt a robot that looks and acts like a human employee than one that looks like a combine harvester. The combine is far more efficient, but it is also totally indiscriminate. Nothing constrains its appetite except for the invisible fence imposed by GPS. The amount of infrastructure required to keep farm equipment from running astray is incredible. In the context of agriculture, the added complexity is definitely worth it. We don't want to have to recreate the same thing with our technology if it can be avoided. Sandboxes and security isolation boundaries are not things to aspire to. These are costs to be paid for admission to something more valuable.

  • c0rruptbytes 2 hours ago
    Reminds me of sandboxy - https://github.com/apple/containerization/tree/main/examples...

    Also if your thing doesn't work with `pi` out of the box, then low effort

  • elAhmo 16 minutes ago
    I wish they solved the issue happening for years on MacOS where Docker keeps up eating all available free space and ends up requiring restart of the whole machine, instead of Gordon and other useless shit.
  • laserlight 2 hours ago
    Requires login. Garbage.
    • binsquare 1 hour ago
      I build a OSS lightweight, portable VM for those that don't want lock ins: https://github.com/smol-machines/smolvm
      • nicoty 1 hour ago
        I have a solution based on Nix that can be used to generate reproducible container images: https://github.com/nothingnesses/agent-images . It lets you customise which agents, harnesses, or any other packages you want included in the VM and it uses `agent-box` for sandboxing.
      • dizhn 46 minutes ago
        This looks like gvisor but is a vm like firecracker right? Any reason you did not want to use firecracker?

        (I am testing this now as a backend for my pet project which currently supports firecracker and gvisor. No network.)

        • binsquare 21 minutes ago
          It's a batteries included alternative to firecracker with a couple of new ideas tossed into the mix i.e. portable like a container (bake into a single file and rehydrate the vm anywhere), dynamic resource allocation, etc.
    • Alifatisk 2 hours ago
      What? Does using sbx require login? Bummer.
      • dSebastien 2 hours ago
        Yes and they have a specific subscription for managing sandbox policies across the enterprise: Docker AI Governance
        • dSebastien 2 hours ago
          You can create those manually but if you want to enforce those then you need the subscription
  • yellow_lead 1 hour ago
    I know some people want to run their agents when their computer is off, but I imagine a solution like this will be much more common than paying for a remote sandbox (i.e on fly.io or exe.dev), especially because it'll be free.

    Though, they need to remove the login requirement.

  • meffmadd 1 hour ago
    I tried Docker Sandboxes but last time I checked you could not configure custom volume mounts, making more complex setups impossible. For work I need two directories for context for the agent to have access to…
    • cyberpunk 1 hour ago
      put them both inside another directory and share that? what am i missing?
  • freakynit 15 minutes ago
    Has anyone tried https://bhatti.sh/ ?
  • nezhar 1 hour ago
    Open source alternative with podman support and local telemetry collection https://github.com/VibePod/vibepod-cli
    • biehl 27 minutes ago
      Looks really nice. Would it be easy to make a qwen-cli wrapper?
  • 3371 28 minutes ago
    I used this for a while then decided to build my own suites that pack individual harness and respective host state (config, plugins, skills, etc.) into an image. Works better and much flexible in my opinion.
  • nopurpose 36 minutes ago
    Most interesting part to me is credentials injection at the sandbox boundary level: https://docs.docker.com/ai/sandboxes/security/credentials
    • quotemstr 34 minutes ago
      Doesn't everyone do this now? It's hardly a new idea. Yet every time someone proposes the idea, people fawn over it and proclaim it the best thing ever.

      Yes, you can inject tokens via a proxy. What else is new?

      • nopurpose 7 minutes ago
        Who is doing it as first class feature with at least adequate UX?

        I have skimmed alternatives offered in comments to this post (vibepod-cli, code-on-incus, opencode-docker, sandboxy, smolvm, amazing-sandbox) and none of them seem to do credentials injection at the proxy level.

  • dannyw 1 hour ago
    I’d rather use another open source solution that doesn’t require a signup, and less likely to get rugpulled.

    There is no reason to require a login for creating local mini sandboxes.

    If you’re on Apple, native solutions like “container-machine init” come built in and are pretty good, if you’ll only be on Apple hardware.

  • weebull 8 minutes ago
    ...or...just hear me out now...we could limit it in the harness.

    Don't give it shell access, just predefined tools.

  • TekMol 54 minutes ago
    So this is a VM by Docker?

    For those who do not trust

        docker run --rm -it -v "$(pwd)":/work -w /work myaiimage /bin/bash
    
    AND do not want to use some other, free VM for some reason?
    • pulse7 51 minutes ago
      Hasn't Docker always been just a thin layer of duct tape over existing solutions?
    • woadwarrior01 50 minutes ago
      Better yet, use Apple's container CLI if you're on a Mac, instead of the docker bloatware.

      container run --rm -it -v "$(pwd)":/work -w /work myaiimage /bin/bash

  • outof 1 hour ago
    Like many people, I suspect, I used Claude to write my own agent sandbox that suits my needs very well. Investing my time in a propietary product has become a hard sell.
    • matheusmoreira 1 hour ago
      I did the same thing. It was my first "vibecoded" project. I've been using it every day and it's great. I'm writing a custom Rust network stack for it right now. Gonna replace the current nftables firewall with it.

      As for Docker Sandboxes, I'll just ask Sol literally right now to see what it does better than my virtdev, and then I'll improve virtdev instead of using Docker.

    • zingar 1 hour ago
      Were you following any patterns/standards/advice on what you needed to protect against? Anything you can point the rest of us to?
      • matheusmoreira 57 minutes ago
        > Were you following any patterns/standards/advice on what you needed to protect against?

        Just the general knowledge that sharing a kernel with untrusted software is too dangerous, that hardware virtualization is an infinitely smaller attack surface and that the entire industry will be in deep shit if people or AI breaks hypervisors.

        Initial threat model was supply chain attacks but eventually grew to include AI harnesses as well. Not very worried about them hacking me, more about accident prevention.

        So that means each VM must be running a completely independent kernel that's fully isolated from the host's file system. They must also have fail closed network filtering built in.

        > Anything you can point the rest of us to?

        I have published my virtdev's design document.

        https://github.com/matheusmoreira/virtdev/blob/master/DESIGN...

        Yes, it is AI generated.

        In summary, it's a QEMU VM orchestrator with a base OS image and project specific delta images. VM lifecycle is managed by systemd. System level isolation is already pretty good and it already solves the "AI wiped out my $HOME" problem. I'm currently working on a custom network stack to replace the nftables based firewall.

      • embedding-shape 1 hour ago
        You want to prevent the agent/others from reaching your home directory and other things. As long as you don't mount/sync directories/files from/to the container, so no mounting like "-v $(pwd):/app", but instead copy in, then when done, copy out.

        And of course, instead of doing the "copy in > copy out" process manually, get your local agent to write a bash script that does that for you, given what directory you're in, and you're basically G2G.

        • tjoff 1 hour ago
          What is the advantage of copying rather than a bind-mount?
      • hvb2 1 hour ago
        What specifically are you looking for? If you start from the premise that it runs as you right now, then that's something you can easily improve upon.

        Start by mounting just your repo and passing in the keys for the agent. Take it from there, it's like software engineering, you iterate.

        When you run into issues you expand the tools in the container available to it.

    • rvz 17 minutes ago
      Why developers will never pay for their tools.
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  • dSebastien 2 hours ago
    The one thing I wonder about is how you enforce the usage of Docker Sandboxes vs running the agent on the host directly, apart from scanning machines for binaries
  • navigate8310 1 hour ago
    Here's another sandbox that I found interesting: https://github.com/ashishb/amazing-sandbox
    • _pdp_ 31 minutes ago
      Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
  • alentred 1 hour ago
    I am not sure I understand, how is this different from a devcontainer or other similar techniques?

    On another topic, can't help but notice that "leading coding agents" somehow does not include Pi.

    • zmmmmm 1 hour ago
      it's running a full VM so the agent can eg: run docker commands safely etc
  • notsirius 1 hour ago
    been using this for a while - works great! Has also had a lot of updates over the past year so worth checking out again if you tried it a while ago
    • zingar 1 hour ago
      Do the agents come preinstalled in the images? Or do they somehow use whatever I’ve installed locally? The former makes sense to me but then I’m wondering whether the sandbox images stay up to date with new releases of each image.
  • AmazingTurtle 1 hour ago
    So it's basically a container with a fancy name, innit?
  • pixard 2 hours ago
    Ah let's see, do they still want you to LOGIN, in order to use a local dev tool? Yes, yes they do. No thanks Docker. You can keep your buzzword reasoning as to why this is needed.
  • runtime_lens 1 hour ago
    TO me, that's the important distinction: sandboxing limits what the agent can do but it doesn't necessarily enforce that the agent must run inside the sandbox. You need a separate control layer to enforce that boundary.
    • nezhar 1 hour ago
      You design the sandbox so the agent starts in that layer. The next thing you can do is to limit the network access, this is what I'm working on right now.

      Or do you mean something else?

  • globular-toast 47 minutes ago
    On Linux, you can skip Docker and use bubblewrap. Some inspiration: https://blog.gpkb.org/posts/ai-agent-sandbox/
    • angry_octet 22 minutes ago
      Bubble wrap is just containerisation no?
      • globular-toast 2 minutes ago
        Not sure what you mean by "just". Containerisation is generally understood to mean something like what Docker does, which includes sandboxing but a whole lot more on top, like image management etc. Bubblewrap is just sandboxing without the rest of containerisation.
  • cryptoz 1 hour ago
    The linked page implies there is no linux support, I wonder why. It's there in the docs if you hunt for it.
  • blueaquilae 1 hour ago
    Docker management will fail their tech at every opportunity.
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    • solarengineer 1 hour ago
      There is a name collision on MacOS where MacOS also provides containers [1]

      [1] https://github.com/apple/container

    • jbellis 1 hour ago
      Why less workflow friction?
      • kmeh 1 hour ago
        Customize the exact environment of your container from the ground up (harnesses, tools, base image, packages, mounts, etc) and enter with a single command.