Recursive self-improvement through collective intelligence

(pub.sakana.ai)

59 points | by hardmaru 3 hours ago

10 comments

  • throwyonion 1 hour ago
    Rock smart, but rock make mistake. Caveman must correct all the time. Caveman think: let rock argue with itself. Caveman make ring of rocks. Now rock think self correct. But mammoth not cooked somehow? Most Oddisean moment.
    • bitwize 1 hour ago
      if grug think complexity demon cause trouble before... shiny-rock grugs say "hold my grug-grog". now programming consist of: summon HUGE complexity demon, trap in magic circle (called "harness"), tell IT to write code. only way to make shiny rock with code in today's economy.
      • adtac 1 hour ago
        grug realise grug also rely on "harness" for work? grug just call it by other names: coffee, chair, desk, ubuntu, mechanical keyboard, github (if it works that day)
  • dpweb 1 hour ago
    The discovery of some information theoretic limit to model learning (at least using current paradigms) can't come soon enough.
    • thatsabadlook 1 minute ago
      I am sure someone did it on the back of an envelope somewhere. It probably wouldn't translate well to the general public. Probably best to avoid such things
    • optimalsolver 1 hour ago
      Only Claude (Shannon) can save us now.
      • nutjob2 36 minutes ago
        He's spinning in his grave, but below the Nyquist limit
  • status_quo69 37 minutes ago
    I'm going to sound incredibly naive but is this RSI? I mean by this definition isn't the training process that produced the hugging face RSI since a model was judging the alignment and ability of the swarm of agents to accomplish a given task? If that fits the definition (I think it does) is this just a generalized form of that model of execution?
  • codethief 1 hour ago
    Sounds like we're still on track for https://ai-2027.com, for better or for worse.
    • throwawayy6767 1 hour ago
      Are we reading the same website? The predictions for China are completely fantastical - they are not falling behind and if anything the gap is narrowing, and they aren't stealing the weights because they don't need to (distilling is enough). Also the CDZ stuff is just fanfiction at this point.
      • thorum 50 minutes ago
        Distillation only lets you keep pace with released models. By all indication, OpenAI/Anthropic’s unreleased internal models are so far ahead of Astra/Fable and every other lab that the chance of anyone else catching up is rapidly closing.
        • cmiles74 2 minutes ago
          I suspect this is more marketing than fact. I don't think there's any real evidence that this is the case, just hints dropped by OpenAI and Anthropic.
        • throwawayy6767 29 minutes ago
          Do you have any source for any of that? Also haven't people been saying that China would be hopelessly distanced for the better part of 2 years, only to be proven wrong over and over again? Deepseek-r1, kimi k3, etc.
          • sejje 5 minutes ago
            I've seen the same sentiments/reports, from X accounts known to talk to leakers.
      • easterncalculus 1 hour ago
        No matter what happens, people just blindly claim this nonsense is still accurate. We could have AI halt tomorrow and people on Hacker News would still claim AI 2027 is on track.
        • zamalek 1 hour ago
          Five years past the flare

          a bottle drifts with its note

          AI singularity next year

    • Aboutplants 1 hour ago
      Pretty amazingly accurate
    • solenoid0937 1 hour ago
      Probably a bit ahead of it.
    • 2001zhaozhao 41 minutes ago
      Yep we're basically inventing all of the RSI loops that AI 2027 thought we'd invent lol.
  • 2001zhaozhao 43 minutes ago
    Pretty cool. This has a fine tuning step so it's not just a harness optimizer. I think something like this loop is the end game of "automatic RL environment generation"-adjacent efforts, but I expect the challenge will be how to properly keep the training on rails and not Goodhart into a stupidly irrelevant metric.
  • jsemrau 1 hour ago
    If Apple's "Intelligence" paper has shown one thing is that never do something in the LLM that can also be done recursive and deterministic.
    • Gigachad 17 minutes ago
      Every time I see some post about running a personal AI assistant I just think it would make so much more sense to have AI build you a personal app that does the task better and more reliably.
      • jsemrau 11 minutes ago
        As per 2026, the idea of building a generally great agent fails because it is not just a function of prompt, skills, and memory.
  • woah 2 hours ago
    This sounds incredibly expensive
    • sva_ 1 hour ago
      It's just a 27b model finetuned with LoRA?
  • mrkn1 1 hour ago
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  • franzcoughka 1 hour ago
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