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  • linguae 2 minutes ago
    This reminds me of how I learned about Zipf's law. 19 years ago, I spent the summer after my sophomore year in a research lab at UC Santa Cruz as part of an NSF-funded summer research program for undergrads. My project that summer was to investigate index design for the Ceph distributed file system in order to enable faster file search. This was a hot topic at the time, especially with Spotlight being introduced to Mac OS X Tiger, and we wanted to see how to enable similar functionality for a distributed file system. I learned about Zipf's law, which states that there is a power law distribution of word frequencies in many natural languages. I remember downloading the Project Gutenberg corpus and writing a Python script where I stemmed the words and computed the frequencies of the stemmed words. The resulting distribution confirmed Zipf's law.
  • ben_w 18 minutes ago
    Sounds about right. Similar experience learning German when I moved to Berlin from the UK (though less extreme, felt like 85% of words was 50% of sentences).
  • buzer 56 minutes ago
    This ignores the fact that you can often figure out the meaning of the line from context even if you don't know the meaning of each word.
    • ACCount39 20 minutes ago
      Human languages are massively redundant specifically to enable this kind of "fill the gaps" learning process.

      Observe an unknown word used a few times in different contexts, and you'll get a very good bead on what it means.

      It's the "natural" way of learning a language. No one gets every word explained to them in detail - most words you know in your own first language are the ones you picked up on the go.

      I think this "structural redundancy" might be a big part of what enables LLMs to learn human languages "from nothing".

    • quink 5 minutes ago
      And in the case of Japanese, with words consisting of multiple Kanji you can even get more context of a word from the word without knowing the word. Down to, to a lesser extent, radicals too...
    • dumberquestions 53 minutes ago
      It's pointed out as a shortcoming at the bottom:

      >What could make this wrong: >1. "Understood" means you know every word. It ignores grammar, kanji readings, speaking speed and context.

    • anigbrowl 23 minutes ago
      or alternatively, leverages that to structure your intuitive learning process.
  • joshdavham 24 minutes ago
    Reminds me of an analysis I did a while back: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44349332

    I didn’t include it in my analysis, but I’ve been thinking about “sentence coverage” vs “word coverage” for a number of years now. In an extreme case, you could imagine a transcript with only i+1/1T sentences and you’d be left with totally incomprehensible input.

  • dvh 50 minutes ago
    > kochira wa yakusoku no houshuu desu

    You blurred yakusoku, everybody knows that, but houshuu is much rarer word, should have blurred that

    • plorkyeran 5 minutes ago
      It's the 500 most common words in that specific show rather than some broader corpus, so there's bound to be some words that happen to be unusually common or rare.
  • numpad0 21 minutes ago
    One thing that seem to be improving Japanese literacy across the world is Inmu gay porn meme contents. I believe it hasn't reached the US, but it is becoming eerily well known in East/Southeast Asian countries, including mainland China. It uses tiny set of vocabulary in highly repetitive manner, a la kid's picture books, but in the way relatable and addicting to social media users rather than e.g. portraying a day in the life of a cute crayon drawn caterpillar.

    IMO, what that tells us is that a completely dumb repetition of small set of simple concepts to just set up the pathway can be an effective means to kickstart language acquisition process. Most language learning materials attempt to establish a compact set of rules to be expanded with a long tail of modular add-ons, even many that aims to create an alternative and less stressful approaches like Duolingo. The Inmu dictionary has less than 500 known expression, all unusable in regular communications and inappropriate in most settings, and the way it is used is simplistic, childish, disrespectful, and dumb. And I think that might be how "start with picture books" advice look like if rebuilt from first principles.

  • zaik 24 minutes ago
    Rare words usually carry the most information in any given sentence.
  • 2TOUCH 8 minutes ago
    Basically
  • GodelNumbering 52 minutes ago
    I spam Yare Yare to the extent that my friends had it on my birthday cake
  • dumberquestions 45 minutes ago
    That's higher than what I would've expected.
  • watwut 1 hour ago
    > Coverage is the number most learning sites quote.

    This person is visiting different learning sites then I do.

    Also, I dont need to understand every word in sentence to understand it. Especially when coupled with visual show.

    • chomp 57 minutes ago
      It’s an LLM, so…
      • watwut 45 minutes ago
        It did indeed sounded like one. Noticeable by a lot of words that say nothing that would matter.
  • td521534f12 54 minutes ago
    I watched Lain with the subtitles on and I still won't claim I understood all the lines.

    I'm pretty sure many of the lines are _not understandable by intent_, even.

    "Present day... present time... ahahaha!"

    • ACCount39 22 minutes ago
      "And you don't seem to understand..."

      Ironic that it holds the first place by understandable lines. The vocabulary isn't the complex thing - it's the content itself that eludes understanding.

      Surreal and dreamlike - almost as if inviting you to connect the dots, but not giving you the labels, not giving you enough dots or an obvious enough outline to connect them confidently.

  • gustavus 1 hour ago
    My first anime was NGE. I knew all the words and still understand nothing.
    • Zealotux 37 minutes ago
      Really? Eva is pretty straightforward to understand once you watched End of Evangelion, Misato pretty much explains most of it in the movie.